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a111: Logged on 2016-11-13 23:35 mircea_popescu: but yes, congratulations are definitely in order for alf's foresight in implementing phuctor as he did. w/o the 8ball that module'd have never fallen.
asciilifeform: 31005686945950767346869798203302530896148655064259347472347220442209769254413352177384260278331050342456445126481343091027696015873408329180286505324090208791356401685488632594573639626011967028852284987701096711563071936459451551456586408347519841053310079208801257166857909170039731960765892368543865804443052865290666243414773205630247890049846389567873586221735235757006305508905620469362479398256074942799303909984882283079716566423
asciilifeform: 141876709031507883553455452314931202170711277559709938918157034624428381091843733176552634481080290679291021661954570523305447050841482495845936945694373844932850748050349261100319 is prime.
asciilifeform: it's a genuinely diddled key gen, and a MODERN one
asciilifeform: (the modulus belongs to something labeled as 'Seclab Signing Key 2016 <seclab@airgapped.sec.t-labs.tu-berlin.de>')
asciilifeform: whole thing submitted ~yesterday~
asciilifeform: (it is not, afaik, in sks)
asciilifeform: quite possibly this is the largest 'in-use' rsa key ever publicly broken.
asciilifeform: ... or not
asciilifeform: i eyeballed quite wrongly, this is a 4096b key.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, shinohai , anybody with not so much to do but energy/time, why not reach out to these poor heathens and ask'em what the hell they thing they are doing on this 'airgapped' box.
asciilifeform: and, importantly, ~with what~ this gem was produced.
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2016/11/14/duterte-anecdotally/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Duterte anecdotally.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-13#1566874 << re. republican dns root (i think this term is not ambiguous), as far as i can see, if bob owned .whatever TLD and john owned john.whatever SLD, then queries for john.whatever would still "pass" through bob's .whatever zone file.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-13 19:45 mircea_popescu: any string is any string.
Framedragger: hence in effect, bob would control john's domain. hierarchy is baked into dns root.
Framedragger: this is fine as long as it's made clear in regards to ownership etc.; but it does put some additional responsibility / ontological charge(?) onto folks who'd own a TLD
Framedragger: unless.. not necessarily?
Framedragger: (btw amusingly, non-reich DNS roots are called "alt roots". tmsr could call it "*the* dns root", or "the republican dns root". or something.)
Framedragger: (and for anyone curious, there are a few "alt roots" out there, see alternative root servers section in http://thedjbway.b0llix.net/djbdns/dnsroots.html e.g.
Framedragger: "His "reactor" ended when the EPA declared his backyard as a Superfund cleanup site due to hazardous levels of radiation." oh yeah i remember reading about that! hm. so, radiation kills, then. RIP boy scout.
Framedragger: ben_vulpes battling it out in #opennic, i see!
Framedragger: ben_vulpes: do you have logs for #opennic somewhere handy by chance?
mircea_popescu: !!up vvande
deedbot: vvande voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-14#1566990 << there is no such thing as "tld". there's just strings. if you query r-dns for "fucksgoats" you get ip for "fucksgoats". if you query for "hurrdurr.fuckgoats" you get ip for "hurrdurr.fucksgoats". if you query for "Pwgaf,H6X/LJ8yt..OLjoNn+kyfFsOG5a?FpPbf!uxOS6" you get ip for "Pwgaf,H6X/LJ8yt..OLjoNn+kyfFsOG5a?FpPbf!uxOS6".
a111: Logged on 2016-11-14 09:34 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-13#1566874 << re. republican dns root (i think this term is not ambiguous), as far as i can see, if bob owned .whatever TLD and john owned john.whatever SLD, then queries for john.whatever would still "pass" through bob's .whatever zone file.
mircea_popescu: it is up to your client to decide if the domain "Pwgaf,H6X/LJ8yt..OLjoNn+kyfFsOG5a?FpPbf!uxOS6" should be queried as "Pwgaf,H6X/LJ8yt..OLjoNn+kyfFsOG5a?FpPbf!uxOS6" or "OLjoNn+kyfFsOG5a?FpPbf!uxOS6" or ".." or "nasa.org" or whatnot. dns just answers queries, and nothing else.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: this implies that there's basically a single dns server, though. it does not delegate to other dns servers, like what we have now
mircea_popescu: it doesn't "delegate", it caches. you know, like in sanity land, as opposed to some bs hacked together by people who didn't go to school for cs 30 yearsd ago.
Framedragger: (i mean, there could be caching servers, but they'd have to have the same up to date map of all strings to IPs.)
Framedragger: caching != delegation in dns, afaik.
mircea_popescu: they would have to be "the same" and "up to date" in the sense of dns "give it a day".
mircea_popescu: of course not, but this because dns is broken.
Framedragger: delegate = "i don't know about this, but this guy does. ask him"
mircea_popescu: also note that nothing in the discussed scheme prevents you from doing delegation. yiu can just decide to split on the basis of the last character ; or the last two.
mircea_popescu: it just correctly orthogonalizes the matter of delegation, which is dns internal cooking, and not the client's business.
mircea_popescu: there's no reason ~you~ should know aforehand what the dns servers will tell you to ask if you look for "string containing substring x" ; and the fact that you DO know who to ask for ".com" is just another sign of the above "some bs hacked together by people who didn't go to school for cs 30 yearsd ago"
Framedragger: hmm. i'm still not sure if your scheme does not require additional customization of dns server software (bind/unbound/whatever). i mean, if it does, so be it.
mircea_popescu: it probably does because current dns software was written by goatfuckers.
mircea_popescu: and we're not playing the "bug for bug compatible" game.
Framedragger: there is a nuance: if lotsa customization is needed, perhaps time/energy is better spent on gossipd. a logistical question i guess.
mircea_popescu: this thing and gossipd are parallel anyway.
mircea_popescu: also, the customization is the job of the client not of the server. "you wanna use this - here's the standard" suffices.
Framedragger: to an extent, i would say, no? in gossipd, user would have their own "hosts" file, mapping mircea_popescu to $fingerprint or w/e
mircea_popescu: i suppose, but that part wouldn't be the first to relate. the part that'd first to relate is that you gotta talk to these servers to admin your strings. and well... talk over... what.
mircea_popescu: moreover, how do you handle splits ? maybe "trilema.com" should be owned by mp in mp's shadow and by whoever in some other space.
mircea_popescu: there is EXACTLY ONE solution to "zooko's triangle" - and it is called gossipd. it works by crushing the socialist mind and its foul expectation of "any person is any person". not fucking so.
mircea_popescu: people aren't strings.
Framedragger: so yeah, running a republican dns root would still imply "collaborating" with current internet infrastructure. reform, not revolution. something like, in those tmsr ISP discussion, someone e.g suggesting to acquire an autonomous system number for tmsr. "is it even worth it."
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry ?
Framedragger: low on sugar, broken english
mircea_popescu: try again.
mircea_popescu: and of course we managed this situation where half the conversation is here hjalf on trilema to maximally confuse the future interested party. ALL BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE THE PATIENCE TO GET ANSWER THERE!111
Framedragger: the whole "patch a DNS server and run alternative root" effort sounds interesting and useful, but, as you said, eventually the underlying layer would need to swapped for gossipd anyway. in gossipd, UDP/TCP as currently used by DNS may not even work. hence there may be a redundancy of effort;
mircea_popescu: "but that part wouldn't be the first to relate. the part that'd first to relate is that you gotta talk to these servers to admin your strings"
Framedragger: and maybe it's worth to focus on gossipd first. but i see what you're saying regarding these two things being parallel. i guess.
mircea_popescu: at first, gossipd replaces the current "talk to servers to admin your strings" which happens, essentially, over substitute-email and http-sessions.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: my excuse is, i don't feel like i have enough original content to keep spamming your comments box. what can i say. such self esteem
Framedragger: right.
mircea_popescu: it's a typical disaster of commons of the republican era - the needs and interests of people not here yet figure a lot less in the eyes of the present man than his immediate pulsion of lowest order. and in 10 years the choices so made become written in stone and the poor schmucks pay for them. it's sad but unsolvable.
Framedragger: and, i suppose, republican dns server could work in a way that already facilitates session-less communication - pgprams issuing orders to change zone files, etc.
mircea_popescu: the OTHER disaster of commons of the republican era is discussed on trilema re "you can't decide what's worth doing", if you recall that footnote.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger yes, but communicatin by sending pgpgrams is already a simplified gossipd is the point.
mircea_popescu: hand-cranked, arbitrary, etc. but still it is it.
Framedragger: yes indeed; and now i see that maybe there wouldn't be too much of a redundancy there - that is, when gossipd arrives, dns server could still accept pgprams, they'd simply come via gossipd - and the latter may even sit behind an abstracted network interface, etc.
mircea_popescu: quite exactly.
mircea_popescu: we've been amply using this "alternate leg" climbing method to build towers.
Framedragger: okay, i'm less confused now
Framedragger: rather ingenious if i may say so!
mircea_popescu: yeah, what can i tell you, as ingenious as walk. 10s of ks of years old.
Framedragger: i wonder if a simpler key-value store wouldn't work as a replacement for dns server. "flatten" the whole thing, so that, as you say, dns server wouldn't distinguish between types of substrings. the latter would be up to the client, if it willed to do so.
mircea_popescu: and here i thought i said just that
Framedragger: caching could be easily done, too
Framedragger: up until this point i thought that the idea would be to use an existing dns server, for sake of ease
mircea_popescu: what did you take http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-14#1567006 to mean ? (it being the 3rd or so pass at this)
a111: Logged on 2016-11-14 12:27 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-14#1566990 << there is no such thing as "tld". there's just strings. if you query r-dns for "fucksgoats" you get ip for "fucksgoats". if you query for "hurrdurr.fuckgoats" you get ip for "hurrdurr.fucksgoats". if you query for "Pwgaf,H6X/LJ8yt..OLjoNn+kyfFsOG5a?FpPbf!uxOS6" you get ip for "Pwgaf,H6X/LJ8yt..OLjoNn+kyfFsOG5a?FpPbf!uxOS6".
Framedragger: the administration / record-updating would be a separate layer in any case.
mircea_popescu: shows you the power of bias / mental fixation i guess ?
Framedragger: ah, "r-dns" is republican dns. not reverse dns or sth like that. more clear
mircea_popescu: and holy shit no you don't want to reuse dns server code oh my fucking god.
mircea_popescu: have you SEEN that shit ?!
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: thanks for bearing with me. yes, fixation.
Framedragger: well, BIND is.. not vulernability-impaired. lots of fleas. and code quality - can only imagine
Framedragger: openssl vibes.
Framedragger: right.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: you'd still want r-dns to be able to serve existing dns clients though, right? i mean, things like `nslookup`, dns resolution libraries, etc - the current dns protocol? or no?
mircea_popescu: ideally.
mircea_popescu: but if a patch is required then that's fine too.
mircea_popescu: (likely the patch will come in the shape of a dnsmasq clone, which will handle stuff like "tld" as well as things like http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-12#1566482 via settings etc)
a111: Logged on 2016-11-12 15:50 mircea_popescu: set up your client to pick two-of-three, give it 1 republic and 2 reich servers. it'll give you republic for all the things reich doesn't know and reich for stuff like apple.com
davout: BingoBoingo: s/La Pen/Le Pen/ also s/French prime minister/French president/
mircea_popescu: davout pretty sure he's doing "la pen" because woman see.
davout: aha
mircea_popescu: it's very clever!
Framedragger: oh god. dns is defined using a shitload of RFCs. but easiest way to learn of low-level transport nuances is, well, wireshark. so, wiresharking and eating cake. at the very least this will end up as (possibly) useful website comment for future adventurers.
Framedragger: what is nice is that the dns transport itself is quite elegant - questions/answers - one packet for query, another for answer. so transport is (in principle) compatible with session-less gossipd model, i think.
mircea_popescu: is it delicious cake or just ordinary cake ?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i'm curious, do you currently manually add entries to your hosts file? wireshark shows so much gunk flying around. like, i've got ad blockers and everything, but still lotsa facebook dns requests all around, etc.
Framedragger: quite delicious! mississippi mud pie. oreo base, brownie-esk filling. amateur-made (office tradition), but very much acceptabru.
mircea_popescu: good for you!
mircea_popescu: Framedragger yes, i add names manually. i see jackshit flying around lol.
mircea_popescu: and i also keep it a few dozen lines, so there is that.
Framedragger: lean and clean. i may just try that. i understand the need more and more.
mircea_popescu: the more you look at it, the brick you more shit.
Framedragger: how did that kharms story go, about the guy dreaming he was a bush..
mircea_popescu: and he woke up and he was a bama ?
Framedragger: hah! quite
mircea_popescu: and in random news nobody cares about, the "republic of moldavia", romania's to "northern ireland" elected russian puppet guy president (igor dodon). putin's ridin' high.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: kewl. wonder what they will say. and what they used to generate the key..
mircea_popescu: i'm betting it'll be something stupid.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you mean it had 0 to do with 8ball ? it went because known factors not because paired with something neh ?
mircea_popescu: when mod pops when submitted, it's always the 8ball
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope. 8ball is a 'primorial', it's this process that's been going 2*3*5*7*........... for months
asciilifeform: this number gets thrown into the hopper every time phuctor fires
mircea_popescu: right...
asciilifeform: it nails moduli with 'small' factors.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't also contain all other factors found ?
asciilifeform: nope, that's not how bernstein's algo worx
mircea_popescu: well it's what i meant.
asciilifeform: it does not rely on writing down the formerly found factors
asciilifeform: but operates on all moduli at once, every time it fires.
mircea_popescu: s/8ball/bernstein/
asciilifeform: this recent find is an excellent illustration, it shared the factor solely with own subkeys
asciilifeform: specifically, the one marked '2015' and '2016'.
mircea_popescu: o brother.
asciilifeform: Seclab Signing Key 2015 <seclab@airgapped.sec.t-labs.tu-berlin.de>; Seclab Signing Key 2016 <seclab@airgapped.sec.t-labs.tu-berlin.de>;
asciilifeform: the resulting factor - is prime.
asciilifeform: (does not appear to be of any special form, in so far as i can presently tell, but is in fact prime by every test i've tried)
mircea_popescu: so if this is some "expert" hardware that does this stupid shit, we'll be seeing it again.
asciilifeform: so it had in fact come out of something resembling a battlefield pgptron.
asciilifeform: no flipped bits or similar.
mircea_popescu: i think ima actually write a short qntra re this, thinking about it.
asciilifeform: i will add that the thing does not appear to reside on sks, though other items advertised as 'seclab' -- are
asciilifeform: it was submitted manually the day prior to yesterday.
asciilifeform: by somebody or other.
asciilifeform: 2016-11-13 13:50:45.642313 phuctor time.
asciilifeform: no reply from the good doktor thus far, but it is evening in berlin
mircea_popescu: i suppose it'd actually be better form to not publicize it so soon huh.
mircea_popescu: though whoever put it in - knows.
asciilifeform: story might 'develop'
asciilifeform: given as the key does not appear to have publicly signed anything, at least in so far as i can see with naked eye, there is no physical way to distinguish this find from an elaborate troll
asciilifeform: i'd be curious to learn whatthefuck exactly is 'seclab', the site suggests some eldritch horror from the bowels of eu academia
asciilifeform: hm, seclab/berlin inst. of tech, quite well represented at defcon, blackhat, etc
mircea_popescu: tu berlin is the technische universitat berlin, their version of a politechnic. sec.t-labs.tu-berlin is the "institut fur softwaretechnick und theoretische informatik" (ie the cs faculty of said college)'s it security lab.
mircea_popescu: they're meeting with the head of teh bnd etc on some sort of regular basis.
asciilifeform: and they have some decent quality material published re probing mobile nets, fuzzing, etc.
asciilifeform: other talks include 'smartphone honeypots'
Framedragger: (yes, afaik decent place. tu-munich >> tu-berlin probably, tho)
Framedragger: well, maybe merely '>'
mircea_popescu: "trust me, you can dance". signed - vodka.
mircea_popescu: all girls are gone to town, therefore /me cracks 10kg watermelon out of fridge, proceeds to EAT ALL OF IT!
mircea_popescu: mwahahahaha.
Framedragger: organic sugar water ftw
Framedragger: when i was hitch hiking in albania a few years back, i ate lotsa watermelons. because 1) they were awesome there, and 2) it was middle of summer, hot, so lower food intake overall
Framedragger: it was great.
mircea_popescu: yeah that entire strip, from dalmatian coast to black sea, epic watermelons. ~where danube flows
mircea_popescu: sorta europe's own mississippi valley. no wonder nobody thinks much of the inhabitants.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: you said you generally like dns transport, but just fyi it afaik limits udp packets to 512 bytes (which iirc you hate). but i guess the term is something more like "tolerate", not "like"...
mircea_popescu: tell me 512 bytes of your favourite poem.
Framedragger: aš matau rūką. tai reiškia nematau daiktų
Framedragger: namas perskeltais langais
Framedragger: šuo bėga iš židinio
Framedragger: liežia pelenus nuo plaštakos
Framedragger: Marinos vaiduoklis braukia krūtį per stiklą
Framedragger: tai primena drėgmę delne, burnoje
Framedragger: kur tik būdavau nuoširdus galėjau ant jos išsilieti
Framedragger: kai kalbėdavom apie rožes tai buvo
Framedragger: prakirsta galva ir nuo pilvo garuojantis sniegas
Framedragger: (ir pelenai buteliuose ir kraujo žiedas kol rūkau išplinta)
Framedragger: kol tylėdavom šuo man kąsdavo gerklę
Framedragger: nebegalėjau grįžti į sakinį, baigti akto –
Framedragger: (truncated. assumes 8 bits per char. not the favourite / not sure, but i like it.)
Framedragger: such eclectic irc channel eh.
mircea_popescu: should be enough FOR ANYONES NAME
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: point taken - this should ideally eventually change, etc...
mircea_popescu: can't do all things at the same time.
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: only since i showed up
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: lol, did a double-take on the dood in the back
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: happy to hand mine over, but vvande has deeper logs and will share them with you for the asking
ben_vulpes: anyways, opennic project is ~dead, with remaining maggots deeply allergic to republican notions.
ben_vulpes: i suspect that i knocked their local usg rep into 'tilt mode' last night
Framedragger: thanks much ben_vulpes. guess i'm good for now
Framedragger: heh. :)
ben_vulpes: "gossipd? what dat. have you ever heard of i2p? what's an ethernet frame? shortwave?"
Framedragger: well you cant fault them for not having heard of gossipd. (cue everyone: YES YOU CAN). re. i2p, well its an interesting project. but - doomed.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes unsurprisingly. pretty much all of extant "foss" is cat-v.org redone.
ben_vulpes: freenic doesn't appear to be in any better shape.
mircea_popescu: https://kashpureff.org/ekashp/ << if anyone still remembers this guy.
mircea_popescu: and, of course, 2000s vintage imperial lulz https://archive.is/g9O6H
mircea_popescu: (note that they quite exactly identify the exact reason gossipd makes empire impossible : "In the case of a public communications system this condition of a common symbol set with a common semantic interpretation must be further strengthened to that of a unique symbol set with a unique semantic interpretation. This condition of uniqueness allows any party to initiate a communication that can be received and understood by any
mircea_popescu: other party. Such a condition rules out the ability to define a symbol within some bounded context. In such a case, once the communication moves out of the context of interpretation in which it was defined, the meaning of the symbol becomes lost."
mircea_popescu: they built usg in not for any reason than because they WERE usg. postel's "oh noes - otherwise CHAOS" is exactly symptomatic. just like the arab mind can't quite comprehend how one who doesn't give a shit about allah may manage to drink from a cup, just so usgtards can't comprehend how one who isn't a socialist can at all live.
mircea_popescu: "but without our stupid bigotry there'd be CHAOS!!11". yeah, i'm sure there would be. for you.
mircea_popescu: "this is a technical requirement, not a policy choice" - fancy that wonder. what else is "not a policy choice" ?
mircea_popescu: and of course, the capper : "This memo does not introduce any new security issues, but it does attempt to identify some of the problems inherent in a family of recurring technically naive proposals."
mircea_popescu: because what the fuck else would crown the retard more than the pretense that he's some sort of misunderstood genius, and his betters "naive" ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> davout pretty sure he's doing "la pen" because woman see. << Aha. Also because what say do people in France have over everything turning their language over to a socialist "Academy" and shit.
BingoBoingo: Or their government
BingoBoingo: Maybe when it happens La Pen will be chief of the DMV?
BingoBoingo: The defining national characteristic of France is "taking it"
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/11/today-in-accidental-insecurity/ << Qntra - Today In Accidental Insecurity
asciilifeform: where the fuck is the sig?!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo ?
asciilifeform: that sig needs to be there.
BingoBoingo: Twas not in mircea_popescu's submission
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wat
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plox to check your original incoming
asciilifeform: (or, wat, BingoBoingo eats texts with 0 sigs..?)
BingoBoingo: Ah, the "peace in our time was at bottom of screen. Forgot to scroll, fxing
asciilifeform: Nooooooo
asciilifeform: the pgp sig
asciilifeform: i signed mircea_popescu's article with victim's pgp privk
asciilifeform: plox to roll in whole unmodified text
asciilifeform: line feeds & all
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you can put editorial commentz Below the sigblok
BingoBoingo: Eh prolly best to put im comments
asciilifeform: much better.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo of course it was lol
mircea_popescu: gpg: Good signature from "Seclab Signing Key 2016 <seclab@airgapped.sec.t-labs.tu-berlin.de>"
shinohai: rekt
mircea_popescu: if anyone cares to put it in ... what was the shithole, reddit ? hacker news ?
asciilifeform can hardly wait for he neverheppeneding of this little trick.
asciilifeform: wrecker noose.
mircea_popescu: lol isn't he cute all excited like that.
asciilifeform: (if ben_vulpes or other wwwtronicist is ever bored, he oughta consider writing an aggregator called 'wrecker nyooz'..)
mircea_popescu: hardly worth it. slashdot sold for what, 3mn ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, mircea_popescu : consider slipping in, below sigblock, a link to the key on phuctor
mircea_popescu: much like the whole "social justice" crapolade : "news for geeks, stuff that matters", "web's most important blabla", "slashdotted" and whatnot - then when push comes to shove, it ain't worth enough to buy a middle class home.
mircea_popescu: there is one.
mircea_popescu: awww BingoBoingo plox put link to http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/341F5F22B677175F46A2C6F87A2F74BADC483E18EB1E656570344DD213EE327C on "reported" (2nd word). i dunno how i left it out ;/
asciilifeform: there's a verbatim asc
BingoBoingo: linked at end of block
mircea_popescu: nah, that's bs. put it 2nd word.
BingoBoingo: And then can't verify sig
BingoBoingo: Maybe I'll put link before block
mircea_popescu: of course you can.
asciilifeform: or make pubkey blok a link
mircea_popescu: dawg, copy/paste doesn't copy the links.
mircea_popescu: just put it in, then try, it'll be fine.
BingoBoingo chopping on it
mircea_popescu: it's hard out there for a pimp...
ben_vulpes: i would take 3m
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you have any conception of the total man-hours soaked into slashdot ?
ben_vulpes: i imagine loads.
mircea_popescu: just the fixing of their dumbass mysql error back in 2006 for one
mircea_popescu: recall that ?
ben_vulpes: not in the slightest
ben_vulpes: i'd stopped reading at that point
mircea_popescu: they had table index too short int, crashed when post count overwhelmed it
mircea_popescu: had to be fixed offline.
BingoBoingo: pls to try verifying signed block
mircea_popescu: it's very stupid to link a large block like that. why are you trying to degoogle yourself ?
mircea_popescu: gpg: Good signature from "Seclab Signing Key 2016 <seclab@airgapped.sec.t-labs.tu-berlin.de>"
mircea_popescu: links dun matter for this purpose, so. best of both worlds.
shinohai: works for me nau
mircea_popescu: !!key SonGoku06
deedbot: No such key.
BingoBoingo: From the Wall Street Pisshole "After meeting with Mr. Trump, the only person to be elected president without having held a government or military position, Mr. Obama realized the Republican needs more guidance. He plans to spend more time with his successor than presidents typically do, people familiar with the matter said."
mircea_popescu: o check that out, nobody wants the mulatto in chief. if he doesn't get to hang on to the wh he has literally nowhere to go.
asciilifeform: WITH HIS SUCCESSOR ?!
asciilifeform: SUCCESSOR?!
asciilifeform: apparently i read bacwards nm.
asciilifeform: re ealier, i have nfi whether herr nordholz is telling truth or nein.
asciilifeform: so the matter will rest there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i answered him.
mircea_popescu: i have no fucking idea where these shitheads think they're shoping for condescension, or why the fuck the 2nd hand peddler failed to inform them that i got exponentially more than available on the market at my ready disposal.
mircea_popescu: anyway, apparently today in "nice story, bro" we have a "students are required as part of curricula to run 10^10 "eulers". because totally, nobody can do any math anywhere.
asciilifeform: he said (11*10)/2 neh ?
asciilifeform: i.e. 55.
mircea_popescu: he also said "euclids", i thought we were just doing keyboard mashing.
asciilifeform: euclids, i.e. gcd, presumably
mircea_popescu: sure sure.
asciilifeform: i have nfi, i did ping the d00d via email so as to rub nose in qntra thread, that's all for my end
mircea_popescu: aha. good enough.
asciilifeform: 'Lol this is easily the best "unhappen" yet. So as the story goes, a secret key that exists and is regularily updated since 2006 suddenly — but deliberately! — gets a shared factor in 2016, as part of a didactic exercise which consists of doing euclids and other calisthenics. As a sub-plot thickener, it is for the first time announced that it takes 11*10/2 operations to obtain a 600+ digit prime factor in Berlin, which is somewha
asciilifeform: t cheaper than anywhere else. We are entertaint.'
mircea_popescu: i suppose if nothing else - zee germanz have now verified that indeed, the phuctor is actually connected and works as described.
asciilifeform: as if it were a mega-mystery earlier.
mircea_popescu: in the land of the hanno bocks (ie, http://trilema.com/2016/psa-hanno-bock-still-a-deceitful-shitbag/ ) it is probably as unbelievable as it gets.
asciilifeform: in ogther noose, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/0ej6b/?raw=true , even 0day not spared on our humble box
mircea_popescu: aww but why!
asciilifeform: (sorry d00dz, it dun work, there is no php teenager in the mix)
mircea_popescu: actually i suppose hijacking phuctor is a reasonably valuable thing now, get people to shit pants that their key's haxxed.
asciilifeform: i suppose walking away with the box cost'em actual moneys last time, and budget was spent on schnapps, or the like.
asciilifeform: btw d00dz who read 'p divides N...' and dun bother to go and, well, divide it, deserve to be tricked.
asciilifeform: it takes maybe 3 seconds to verify whether a page on phuctor is fact or not.
mircea_popescu: yeah well, a pants shitting is a pants shitting.
mircea_popescu: !!key SonGoku06
deedbot: No such key.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, the socialist retards (preaching over at huff po) : "My point is that this is a cycle. It happens again and again, but as most people only have a 50-100 year historical perspective they don’t see that it’s happening again. As the events that led to the First World War unfolded, there were a few brilliant minds who started to warn that something big was wrong, that the web of treaties across Europe could lea
mircea_popescu: d to a war, but they were dismissed as hysterical, mad, or fools, as is always the way, and as people who worry about Putin, Brexit and Trump are dismissed now. A little thing leads to an unstoppable destruction that could have been prevented if you’d listened and thought a bit."
mircea_popescu: yes, motherfucker. this is exactly it : your continued existence is offensive. either you desist, forget this "social justice" nonsense ever existed, and EVERYTHING to do with it - or else YOU will have started a war, with YOUR idiocy.
mircea_popescu: so yes - is your own tail and the avoidance of your own fucking holocaust worth stopping and thinking a bit ?
asciilifeform: they learned 0 from the last one.
mircea_popescu: maybe it's time to apologize for making up bullshit and calling it "global warming" ? maybe its time to cut off your balls and cut off your keyboard fingers ? maybe ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all the better then. honestly i prefer bloodshed to contrite tears.
asciilifeform: they learned 0, because 'thief is never sorry, only sorry that he was caught'
mircea_popescu: quite so, apparently the humanist's notion that he speaks for humanity is the sweetest delusion of all.
asciilifeform: one unfortunate bit is that afaik the gambit they used to stay alive last time, will work again -- a kilometre-thick ablative coating of nobodies to catch the gas
asciilifeform: while soros, rothchilds, etc. escape and make next generation of 'reality makers'
mircea_popescu: this is sloppy thinker - soros was a poor nobody, there's no bloodline there ; and the lulz of the mystical-rotschilds is periodically debunked every time you bring it up.
asciilifeform: lower-case r rothchilds!11111
mircea_popescu: this is retrospective naming, the historical equivalent of wtf they call that graph worshippinbg bs
asciilifeform: and rumour is that , iirc, son of soros marries into clintons
asciilifeform: anyway the physical location of hitler is a q above my paygrade.
mircea_popescu: "technical analysis"
ben_vulpes: !!up vvande
deedbot: vvande voiced for 30 minutes.
vvande: hey!
ben_vulpes: vvande's this "sleepy anti statist" i roused out of #opennic and #freenic
vvande: I've always been anti statist.
vvande: everybody is where I come from
ben_vulpes: vvande: where is that?
vvande: my family
vvande: lol
ben_vulpes: "texas" then
vvande: I live in BC Canada - just in from the coast now
vvande: and came from Denmark
ben_vulpes: lovely places
ben_vulpes: actually i don't know about denmark
ben_vulpes: but i do like bc quite a bit
vvande: statism and autoritianism are not close to the heart of people who have experienced Hitler's regime
mircea_popescu: !!key vvande
deedbot: No such key.
ben_vulpes: anyways, register a key
mircea_popescu: ^ get a key eh.
vvande: I was just a kid but my parents were involved.
ben_vulpes: plenty of time to chat after you get your key into deedbot
vvande: mircea_popescu: I'll do that later, but need to get breakfast and stuff.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes actually denmark is where the hot german chicks come from.
ben_vulpes: well then it sounds lovely
vvande: It's a pretty democratic place, but it being stirred up a bit in recent years.
vvande: Not so democratic here in Canada. We're pretty far right, in fact.
vvande: Anyway, I'll go look at that key thing. Seems easy enough to generate, but I should have a think about it.
ben_vulpes: no expiration date, don't forget the passphrase
vvande: ok, figured that so far
vvande: I havent used keys before. Should I make it "sign and encrypt"?
ben_vulpes: keep it simple
vvande: OK. I just want to make sure I don't cause trouble later.
vvande: Can i have different keys?
vvande: like just do one for here, for now?
ben_vulpes: in gpg, yes. in deedbot, no.
ben_vulpes: keys map 1:1 with identities here.
vvande: gpg is already installed - running FreeBSD
ben_vulpes: changing them is politically fraught.
vvande: well, I won't be using it a lot until I get more into it
vvande: So, OK. I'm off to do that. And ...
vvande: my sweetheart just came back, so need to make coffee for her
vvande: ltr
ben_vulpes: see ya
ben_vulpes: also on an ancient thread, horses are allowed on many oregon roads and highways, because this place was barely a place before the sixties. there are a pile of questions in the drivers exam here regarding how to behave around horses, even.
asciilifeform: from ben_vulpes's link: http://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/news/read.cfm?id=7711&ec=4&ch=twitter << very rare pistol, iirc the maker was sued out of business soon after it figured in evidence room re columbine postal
ben_vulpes: bizarre little handie
asciilifeform: it , iirc, was banned after folx discovered easy conversion to auto , and the postal was a pretext
asciilifeform: !~google tec-9
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Time since last block: 10 minutes and 53 seconds
ben_vulpes: !!google tec-9
deedbot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TEC-9 << TEC-9 - Wikipedia | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkZlO7hVTfw << Tec 9, Rapid Fire is the Only Way to Fire! - YouTube | https://csgostash.com/weapon/Tec-9 << Tec-9 Skins - CS:GO Stash
jhvh1: asciilifeform: TEC - 9 - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TEC-9>; Tec 9 , Rapid Fire is the Only Way to Fire! - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DxkZlO7hVTfw>; intratec tec 9 All For Sale - GunBroker.com: <http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx%3FKeywords%3Dintratec%2Btec%2B9>
mircea_popescu: !!key SonGoku06
mod6: nb.
mircea_popescu: she looks like she never works out.
mod6: haha
mircea_popescu: is this socially acceptable now, pre-menopausal woman, no bar no buttlifts no nothing ?
mod6: i liked the pumpkin heads
mod6: they s/buttlifts/netflix/
mircea_popescu: well, if they didn't maybe someone'd give a shit.
mod6: solid point.
mod6: i love some of the dirty looks i get when checking out these pics on the train.
asciilifeform: police d00d looks like he would rather be literally anywhere else
mircea_popescu: can ye blame him ?
mircea_popescu: "if this bitch starts reading poetry i'm shooting her"
asciilifeform: dunno, how often he gets to arrest naked chix
mircea_popescu: dude, that's not chix. there's sexual nudity and there's medical nudity.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't touch her, what am i, a licensed nurse ?
mircea_popescu: let the dumb bitch work her ass off three seasons first, what the everloving is this "anything is acceptable" bs.
asciilifeform not even a licensed mengele, but would touch
mod6: with asbestos gloves tho rite?
asciilifeform: with police gloves , naturally
mod6: nice
mod6: i like how the dude was like 'hey, these were training keys'
shinohai: Still avoiding the question of what those "training keyz" were generated on.
mircea_popescu: the retrospectivatron
asciilifeform: handy gadget in every household.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes holy shit what's that potluck disaster https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxP7SW-WEAAdvyX.jpg
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see thread just now
mod6: congrats to the winners of the joke contest
a111: Logged on 2016-11-15 00:39 asciilifeform: from ben_vulpes's link: http://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/news/read.cfm?id=7711&ec=4&ch=twitter << very rare pistol, iirc the maker was sued out of business soon after it figured in evidence room re columbine postal
mircea_popescu: looked more like a housemade flamethrower at first sight
asciilifeform: it's a columbinator.
mod6: pete_dushenski: hey, glad you got a prize, I did like the yugo joke.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude no wai that's an ACTUAL tec-9. too fucking banged up
mod6: Oh, maybe it wsa for the sax joke. Didn't see that.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: antique. ~none made since late '90s, and was made half of plastic to even begin with
asciilifeform: but ended up 'cult object' for complicated cultural reasonz
mod6: mainly because of rap iirc.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi why, it's not really a very good gun ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: by all possible measures (save for cost, was cheapo) it sucked donkey balls, but on account of unusual shape became memorable in film etc
mircea_popescu: yeah. mostly cuz it looks like someone's garage-made flamethrower.
asciilifeform: swedish maker went bust after clinton banned it by name.
mod6: yeah, if those were envogue in the early 90s, the cheap aks were by the end of the 90s for sure.
mircea_popescu: i half expected it's a converted camping butane burner
asciilifeform: it resembles, imho, british 'sten', which was , yes, garage tech
mircea_popescu: open bolt etc
asciilifeform: ratatatatatat.
mircea_popescu: incidentally alf : why don't ANY of these fucking idiots doing "mass shootings" like EVER read a fucking training manual, figure out they're supposed to carry ft not ap small arms ?
mircea_popescu: "oh i'ma go to my school shoot everyone". really ?
mircea_popescu: it'd even suit their inability to aim something fierce.
asciilifeform: columbine d00dz supposedly brought propane tanks, but had nfi how to set off.
mircea_popescu: (in ww2, the worst marksman always got the flamethrower. worst job, shit's heavy, you gotta get close etc)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform propane my foot. plasticated gasoline mix what is this.
asciilifeform: bonus for using it british-style : douse 1,001 derps, then ask 'why not light match?'
asciilifeform: let them say why not.
asciilifeform: and make it known that if you see cop - will flick bic.
mircea_popescu: after all flame front is supersonic in atmosphere
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> (in ww2, the worst marksman always got the flamethrower. worst job, shit's heavy, you gotta get close etc) << oh no doubt. that's a rough job. like having a damn bomb on your back. next as bad is probably the radio guy.
mod6: (radio guy has antenne sticking up, easy target.)
mircea_popescu: iirc radio guy was favoritism spot, because you get to go into bunker / safer position / next to co
mod6: well, prolly each squad/platoon has one in the forward position, relaying stuff back to other radio guy next to co in bunker. but, ya.
asciilifeform: dunno re elsewhere, but in su army it was a mixed bag, co was expected to shoot radioman if the latter is at risk of capture (e.g., injured & down)
mircea_popescu: i dun think they did this on the allied side.
asciilifeform: possibly because did not much bother with field crypto there
mircea_popescu: mod6 i dunno that as late as vietnam they had that many forwards like that. generally even the artillery reporters were small squad with co machine gun 3-4 rifles etc
mod6: ah, yah perhaps.
mircea_popescu: (most of vietnam cinematic footage is one of these artillery reporter squads. works well for the needs of the camera.)
mod6: <+asciilifeform> dunno re elsewhere, but in su army it was a mixed bag, co was expected to shoot radioman if the latter is at risk of capture (e.g., injured & down) << did the su radio guys have all the otp's for the day there with him or what not?
mircea_popescu: i expect.
mircea_popescu: truth be told the anglos had this "crypto dun werk" outlook throughout.
asciilifeform: mod6: nah, they tended to use barbarisms where the man has a code in memory
mircea_popescu: no otp ?!
asciilifeform: incl. his 'morse fist'
mod6: i gotta dig this up
asciilifeform: when captured, would be made to 'funkspiel' with his characteristic style
asciilifeform: ergo had to be shot.
mod6: ooh.
mod6: so the 'morse fist' was a guys ability to send error free and 'style' of the transmission of the message
asciilifeform: iirc 'fist' is what engl.speaking folk called morse 'handwriting' in those times.
mod6: i see
mircea_popescu: mod6 you know how morse goes, every op has specific timings.
mircea_popescu: !!up Test
deedbot: Test voiced for 30 minutes.
mod6: mircea_popescu: yah, that makes sense.
mircea_popescu: that strange feeling when bing returns trilema for img search for "check your privilege shitlord".
mircea_popescu: i had no fucking idea anyone actually uses bing.
asciilifeform: wasn't it made default in firefox when the latter was colonized?
mircea_popescu: o was it ?
asciilifeform: (it also silently replaced 'yahoo search' some years ago)
mircea_popescu: no that also still exists.
mircea_popescu: there's also, i kid you not, Microsoft MSN Search
mircea_popescu: i even get hits from excite, but i figure that's gotta be a joke.
mod6: ah yes. i recall these.
mod6: i heard nz got hit hard again yesterday
mircea_popescu: wait what ?
mod6: ah, earthquake in nz ~ yesterday
mod6: people were talkin about it
mircea_popescu: 7,8 huh. one of these days it's gonna blow up innit.
asciilifeform: 'The attacker just have to press and keep pressing the [Enter] key at the LUKS password prompt until a shell appears, which occurs after 70 seconds approx.'
mod6: maybe so
mircea_popescu: why are all ubuntus the same ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the money shot is : "dracut is ALSO vulnerable, like initramfs is". because no, none of this is accidental, not anymore than castrated hipster's support for hillary is accidental.
asciilifeform: at this point anyone with 2 neurons to rub together , i'd suppose, grasps this
mircea_popescu: the key point however, is that it's also not "directed", so to speak.
asciilifeform: is put in out of 'general principle'
mircea_popescu: they're not dumb because the evil witch of the west tells them to, and when she dies they'll all wake up from dumb like from a spell.
asciilifeform: and falls into half dozen or so rough taxanomic holes
mircea_popescu: no, they are dumb because they are dumb, like iron is ductile because it is ductile ; any possible identified witches are scapegoats
asciilifeform: 'break console auth', 'rot rng',...
asciilifeform: eh if farmer dies and cows escape into the desert, they will remain == as stupid as before, but ~undirectedly~
mircea_popescu: i suppose they are farmed, yes.
mircea_popescu: and in other news, bannon makes chief of staff.
mircea_popescu: bureaucracy deeply butthurt.
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry ; chief ~strategist~. priebus will be chief of staff fwtw.
asciilifeform: dafuq sort of name is 'priebus'
asciilifeform: norwegian?
mircea_popescu: i have no idea.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, nigel farage is utterly furios that notwithstanding he's the only brit with a trump pass, nevertheless may & friends won't come kiss his pinky ring.
mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's so funny how much can change in a mere coupla decades. from clinton's "boy, i wish i could say the same" to obama's "i solemnly promise & swear trump won't be elected".
mircea_popescu: i guess it makes sense one got impeached.
mircea_popescu: well... almost impeached.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/vsMXn << not, as appearances might suggest, wholly unrelated: derps froth at the mouth that anyone might dare to play german conquest marches, 'I hope someone will inform their music authorities', 'I am usually very moderate about showcasing of the original information, but I don't think new performances should be encouraged!', etc.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> dafuq sort of name is 'priebus' << Lizard!
ben_vulpes: !!up vvande
deedbot: vvande voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: you can talk to deedbot in pm too, vvande
vvande: oh I see
deedbot: C2F3ACF258CE9D436FCD93995F7496EC4F0FF004 registered as vvande.
vvande: OK, that seemed to work. :)
mircea_popescu: in other news, as trump prepares to repeal obamawarming, the libertard senate seems set to repeal godwin's law.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun get it, some people somewhere protest... music ?
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