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BingoBoingo: $up mats
deedbot: mats voiced for 30 minutes.
shinohai: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 581.0, vol: 3253.05603877 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 567.001, vol: 4540.09518 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 580.46, vol: 22044.37312351 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 565.0, vol: 0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 587.824695, vol: 26763.66990000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 579.79, vol: 1030.18663655 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 586.67706, vol: 43.42071033 | Volume-weighted last average: 582.841239215
asciilifeform: ' If a trooper suspects you may have money tied to some type of crime, the highway patrol can scan any cards you have and seize the money. "We're gonna look for different factors in the way that you're acting,” Oklahoma Highway Patrol Lt. John Vincent said. “We're gonna look for if there's a difference in your story. If there's someway that we can prove that you're falsifying information to us about your business."'
asciilifeform: 'News 9 obtained a copy of the contract with the state. It shows the state is paying ERAD Group Inc., $5,000 for the software and scanners, then 7.7 percent of all the cash the highway patrol seizes.'
asciilifeform: automated account emptiers. lulzy.
shinohai: "We are proud to introduce this new tool to help you steal from citizens in a moar efficient manner."
asciilifeform: the peculiar, imho, thing, is that somehow tradition requires american police to actually charge folks who are taken to a police station. and so it is now important to rob them ~without~ arresting.
asciilifeform: also helps throughput!1111
shinohai: That's always been the case with asset forfeiture laws though.
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu were awake, he would probably describe the process as 'what the fuck is so surprising, gas let into an empty container will fill it' or similar. nobody is blowing up the police stations in response, so there is no back-pressure and usg can do whatever.
mircea_popescu: not their money anyway.
asciilifeform: usg is just finding the ~new~ laffer curve!11111111111
asciilifeform: ah and there he is!
asciilifeform switches off emulated mircea_popescutron
shinohai: In other not-news, this new "Ubuntu inside Winblowze" thing automatically sets all your file permissions to 777
asciilifeform: ahahahahaha
asciilifeform: Run Moar Linblowz.
a111: Logged on 2015-08-22 22:07 mircea_popescu: for the record, it's not even clear moving from bearer to certified insturment is anti-liberty. for insmtance - hansa used the certifierd instrument greatly, because as a merchant, giving your son a plain "pay the bearer so much silver upon presentation of this note in such town" was merely an invitation to any highwayman on route to "please fuck this young man in the ass and here's the pay for your trouble"
a111: Logged on 2016-06-09 14:09 mircea_popescu: not their money anyway.
deedbot: [Trilema] Rag. Arturo De Fanti, bancario precario - http://trilema.com/2016/rag-arturo-de-fanti-bancario-precario/
asciilifeform: it would be interesting imho to learn how the credit card automatic plunderator works:
asciilifeform: ... does it shit out $1 transactions until one bounces ?
asciilifeform: this seems unlikely, because american prepaid cardz typically have a tx fee
asciilifeform: so it stands to reason that it probably recogizes major brands of card and dials in to determine the balance
asciilifeform: so as to snarf it out in one shot.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-29 14:42 mircea_popescu: how is this stance different from "the nazi military police can't find as many gypos as they used to, so therefore flaying alive of gypsies for fun should be regarded as aperfectly normal passtime, and in no sense wrong, even if it was rare before"
asciilifeform: now where was that suetonius thing
asciilifeform: '...there are many, many people whose stock in trade is their use of violence, in offense or defense. No matter what else happens, they will be employed, or self-employed... In Russia, there was a period of years during which the police was basically not functioning: they had no equipment, no budget, and their salaries were not sufficient for survival. Murders went unsolved, muggings and burglaries were not even investigated. The pol
asciilifeform: ice could only survive through graft...' << from orlol,
asciilifeform: ^ soooo it appears that the process is farther along in rural shitholes like oklahoma, than in the inhabited usa
asciilifeform: which is a mega-unsurprise.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Oklahomo isn't even rural. Rural has farms and the pastoral life. Oklohomo is just a drive thru obstacle with its fucking toll roads and meth heads.
BingoBoingo: Even the ozarks have tourism, Oklohomo lacks a Branson.
asciilifeform: 'rural shithole' is simply shithole that is dark from the satellite camera.
asciilifeform: like north kr.
asciilifeform: vs the other kind of shithole.
asciilifeform: american rural doesn't even have much to do with pastoral/village life etc.
asciilifeform: consider, in coastal usa you can still go to a few dozen kinds of shop, but in the flyoverlands you're stuck with универмаг^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hlolmart
asciilifeform: the sovietization, in the most comical sense of the word, is nearly total, complete with hruschev's corn.
asciilifeform: ~actual~ rural folk, who grow own food, make own tools, and don't need the mega-state for anything, were recognized as a thread and mostly bugsprayed eons ago.
asciilifeform: *threat
trinque: myup, the grandchildren of the generation that knew how to do that spends their time getting fat on walmart groceries and posting on facebook about "freedom ain't free"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i am curious re the role meth plays.
asciilifeform: it always seems to figure in tales of american 'flyover.'
trinque: maybe it makes malnutrition feel better
asciilifeform: who takes it? and why? and why it and not some other dope.
BingoBoingo: It plays the same role heroin does on the coasts. Turns potential redditors into creatures out of "James Lafond Presents"
asciilifeform: meth was discovered by ru underground folk in the late '80s. on account of being quickly and easily made from materials commonly sold at the time.
asciilifeform: but my understanding is that there was NO 'market' in the usual sense of the word. you wanted some - you made some.
BingoBoingo: And so it works, or is said to work largely that way in USistan
asciilifeform: iirc it is mostly made in mexico now.
BingoBoingo: Mostly from lack of access to inputs.
BingoBoingo: But when inputs are available methfolk tend to steal them because Phree drugz
asciilifeform: eh nobody stole it in 1940s when it was sold at the bubble gum counter.
BingoBoingo: The Mexican meth largely serves to keep anyone from quietly becoming mega drug kingpin
BingoBoingo: you can say nobody stole, but there's always kids shoplifting
asciilifeform: wasn't a 'can't display this, will be stolen 5min later' situation.
asciilifeform: for non-us folk: today you can't buy a few milligram of pseudoephedrine against running nose, without filling out a form.
BingoBoingo: Anyways in the 40's all the drug products weren't on the counter next to the bubble gum. You had to talk to the pharmacist because otherwise he got lonely.
asciilifeform: after ww2 surplus meth was sold ~everywhere.
asciilifeform: didn't really carch on until that time.
BingoBoingo: Surplus meth also had to compete at phamacy/soda shop against midler stimulants like Benzedrine. Stimulants were the polite national obsession at the time.
asciilifeform: i'm still quite unconvinced that empire is better off selling, e.g., the usual vodka, in shops, than meth.
asciilifeform: consider how ww2 folk did ~not~ suffer the clinical horrors of the modern users.
asciilifeform: this is on account of the well-known sequelae being largely effects of impurities, and secondarily - of lack of sleep, vs meth per se.
asciilifeform: (e.g., your teeth will look ~precisely~ like 'methhead teeth' if... you stop brushing them.)
asciilifeform: ... or blow caustic smoke across them every day.
asciilifeform: today's dope situation is quite analogous to, e.g., 18th c. english sailor's sex life - where the ~only kind of (straight!) sex you can have is, approx., with syphilitic whores, condomless
asciilifeform: the 'sex is the devil's temptation' idiots have easy pickings in that climate.
deedbot: [Qntra] Oklahomos Test Literal Due Process Circumvention Device For Electronic Seizures - http://qntra.net/2016/06/oklahomos-test-literal-due-process-circumvention-device-for-electronic-seizures/
asciilifeform: not convincing, naturally, any sailors, but ~others~, into tolerating the protestant bullshit instead of burning with hot irons.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: oughta mention the royalty
asciilifeform: y'know, the 7+% thing
asciilifeform: that brings us back to 18th c. french state of the art re tax collection
asciilifeform: (incidentally, didn't i predict the return of door-to-door tax collector ?! a few yrs ago.)
BingoBoingo: That's standard for any US thing touching "law enforcement". Ankle monitors, fine collection X% always to vendor.
danielpbarron: oklahoma has a true church -- if i were to move within the states, I'd prolly go there
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: how many tank divisions it has ?
asciilifeform: good anti-aircraft defenses ?
danielpbarron: their defensive play is to flee if things got to such a point that a tank is necessary
asciilifeform: flee to .. ?
shinohai: Pray tornado comes and send you to merry land of Oz ?
BingoBoingo: 's Kansas tornados
danielpbarron: Darwin likened it to the time king David fled Saul
BingoBoingo: Oklahomo isn't easy to flee... Toll roads and lpr cameras everywhere
danielpbarron: 1 Samuel 21:12 Now David took these words to heart, and was very much afraid of Achish the king of Gath. 13 So he changed his behavior before them, pretended madness in their hands, scratched on the doors of the gate, and let his saliva fall down on his beard. << apparently even pretending insanity in order to stay with the neighboring people
phf: i like how in u.s. "pharmacies" you can buy 50mg diphenhydramine as a sleep aid for a few cents a pill, and as an anti-hestamine for $20 for 10
asciilifeform: phf: better still, ordinary cyanoacrylate glue for 50 cents a tube, but 'medical' - for $20+.
danielpbarron: also, you ~do need to fill out paperwork to get pseudoaphedrine : driver's license is required
phf: or that loratadine is available in 50 different branded variations, but its metabolite desloratadine you need a prescription for. every time i'd ask an allergist for one he'll say "just buy <loratadine brand> it's the same thing"
danielpbarron: they scan you licence and make you agree to not use it to make meth
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Anyways I think the US patched the "play crazy" exploit
asciilifeform: (cyanoacrylate - 'super' - glue - is quite possibly the single greatest advance in wound suturing ever to happen, works great on everything from paper cut to 7.62x39-through-the-liver)
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, just an example from history
trinque: plea of insanity results in indefinite psych ward lockup afaik
shinohai: I used superglue when I played guitar for callous enhancement.
trinque: or leaving with a failing liver after you succumb to their pill pushing
trinque: adlai: how you doing btw
phf: asciilifeform: i opened up my heel at a beach last time and sent my friends to buy me supplies "i need tincture of iodine and cyanoacrylate glue please" "... maybe just some HealFastQuick-E instead???"
asciilifeform: just travel with it. single-use syrette of 'superglue' keeps forever.
asciilifeform: i always found it interesting how most american folk don't keep first aid kit, of even the most spartan sort, in their car
asciilifeform: they will keep a man's weight's worth of empty coffee cups and other filth in there.
trinque: that's too independently-minded; they'll 'just call 911'
asciilifeform: but not a box with bandages, disinfectant, tourniquette, anything.
BingoBoingo: No socket set either!
trinque has both!
trinque: and other toolz
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the kind that removes wheels, comes with car
asciilifeform: or what does BingoBoingo have in there.
trinque: what about batteries, belts, so on
trinque: might need others
asciilifeform: trinque drives around with spare belts ?
trinque: sure, they're small
asciilifeform: often stop and change belt ?
trinque: I have a station wagon so I have room for shit in the back
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 100 ish piece set of SAE and metric bits.
asciilifeform: how about battery ? also spares ?
trinque: hey man, you have your paranoia; I have mine
asciilifeform: i imagine trinque spends much time in the desert
trinque: no but jumper cables
asciilifeform: ^ afaik these come with car
BingoBoingo: Hey, msot cars nowsdays only have one belt
BingoBoingo: So belt isn't some mega imposition
BingoBoingo: Though alternator and sometimes compressor have to come off to change it
phf: i'm not sure how these kinds of liquids interact with tsa
phf: which reminds me, i gotta sign up for that PRE shit..
asciilifeform: phf: iirc tiny toothpaste-like items are permitted
asciilifeform: phf: i signed up, it is ~scam
asciilifeform: only works ~inside usa~ if you use particular airlines.
asciilifeform: the most expensive ones.
phf: oh it's airline dependant?
phf: there's also "global entry" which i haven't looked into
asciilifeform: the part that gets you out of inspections when traveling inside usa
asciilifeform: the global entry thing was spiffy
asciilifeform: when i came back from mircea_popescu's c3, they let me in past customs via the door the pilots use.
phf: fwiw doing using ITA for booking i mostly get delta or american airlines for local flights anyway
asciilifeform: then works
asciilifeform: if you get the 'global' thing, iirc it comes with the other one.
phf: "Includes the TSA Pre✓™ Experience"
asciilifeform: i imagine in 20 yrs we'll be payin' for 'Police Pre✓™ Experience" where if you have membership card, they probe yer rectum with velvet, instead of hedgehog, gloves...
phf: a range of Pre✓™ branded experiences. Taxes Pre✓™ where you fill out one form and pay slightly below average (but still not as much as an accountant would save you), Building Pre✓™ where you fill out one form and can build a mcmanshion on your property (but not any other kind of building), etc.
asciilifeform: lel aha.
trinque: hell I just got prequalified for some loans in my mail
asciilifeform: pretty sure that darkest africa is ~ahead~ on the not-eating-lead score.
asciilifeform: vs usa.
trinque: I'm sure it is
trinque: and of course they're arguing for more govt mandated medical screening rather than y'know, how bout we learn the millenia old magick of water piping and not shitting where we eat
asciilifeform: trinque: that would cost actual 'turkey dollarz'
asciilifeform: which usa doesn't have.
asciilifeform: pipes dun replace themselves.
phf: philadelphia is all led pipes so they just give you a little paper that lets you test the water for free, and then presumably move "elsewhere"
BingoBoingo: $up vc
deedbot: vc voiced for 30 minutes.
trinque: asciilifeform: those card drainers might be doing a succession of rapid "auth" transactions against the card searching for the limit, then settling the transaction for the highest amount it can find that works
asciilifeform: trinque: i'd imagine this would trigger the standard fraud freeze
asciilifeform: unless, of course, they have exception hardcoded for autoplunderator co.
trinque: yep true, by any route it seems to require someone selling the person out on the back end
asciilifeform: trinque: not necessarily - if the card is prepaid, as these were, you can normally call the # on the back of the card (and often there is even a www form) and determine the balance
asciilifeform: so the gadget may well include this function.
BingoBoingo: In spammer domains blacklisted from qntra comments news: hamlet.stanford.edu
shinohai: lol wut
BingoBoingo: Someone got crazy loading up hamlet.stanford.edu with vietnamese spam links and putting them in spam comments to qntra, so blacklisted
shinohai: I didn't do story on supposed twitter hack because unverifiable ... yet it is on front page of r/bitcoin.
shinohai: I suspect there was no hack, it is merely cross-ref'd data from the other 3 hacks by peace.
BingoBoingo: Maybe write that was possible? I have no idea what you are talking about.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: See, its stolen passwords indexed to twitter accounts.
shinohai: Hmmmm ...
BingoBoingo: Fine shinohai I'll show you how to handle this.
deedbot: [Qntra] Peace Trove Being Indexed To Accounts On Unhacked Sites - http://qntra.net/2016/06/peace-trove-being-indexed-to-accounts-on-unhacked-sites/
BingoBoingo: ^ Him in our time.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: See here all future production of these information products is covered in the cases where actual hack seems unlikely, and we continue the "Him in our time" meme.
BingoBoingo: Having our own memes is important for establishing a Qntra identity that goes beyond Qntra>Coindesk while also cultivating a shared experience among our readers through humor.
shinohai: I liek.
shinohai: Good angle too.
BingoBoingo: If you add being insufferable pricks to the second part while overdoing it on memes (i.e. you don't have content because everything is a forced meme) you end up with the Gawker media formula.
shinohai: ewww Gawker
BingoBoingo: Gotta understand how the enemy works. Especially when it has ossified itself into committee driven beast.
shinohai: Most other Bitcoin related news sites are exact clones of each other, the ones I know of anyway. Bitcoinist is probably the worst.
shinohai: or whichever one it is J.P Buttnix spams for.
BingoBoingo: Right, the reason they all suck is they recycle press releases or all share the same stable of Buttnixen Who write the same text for different stories which obliterates any chance for contrast.
BingoBoingo: That and they are wrong.
shinohai: In other news, has Hillary fallen victim to said hack? https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/740973710593654784
shinohai: Also, paid promotional articles hardly count as "news"
trinque: shinohai: no, the two candidates for president are having a slap fight on twitter while the audience posts gifs
trinque: what's out of place
shinohai: "Delete your account" so professional.
shinohai: I'll do it Hillary since you said so.
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 415561 | Current Difficulty: 1.9606142393964996E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 417311 | Next Difficulty In: 1750 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 19 hours, 15 minutes, and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all --currency rmb
gribble: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 3836.22, vol: 28798.54960000 | Volume-weighted last average: 3836.22
mod6: <+shinohai> "Delete your account" so professional. << "Delete your emails" response was top kek
trinque: aw I was hoping that one came from trump
mod6: lol
shinohai: o/ mod6
mod6: sup
shinohai: Thanks again for help with rss reader ... works right inside weechat nau
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479194 << check it out selection js corrupts!
mod6: shinohai: no prob bud
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479199 << oklahoma is not rural, it is central. bandits favour notthingham forest for a reason, which isn't that "it's impenetrable", but rather that it is semi-permeable and oft permeated.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-09 15:01 asciilifeform: ^ soooo it appears that the process is farther along in rural shitholes like oklahoma, than in the inhabited usa
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479211 << importantly, all this out of money they never earned.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-09 15:10 trinque: myup, the grandchildren of the generation that knew how to do that spends their time getting fat on walmart groceries and posting on facebook about "freedom ain't free"
a111: Logged on 2016-06-09 15:12 asciilifeform: who takes it? and why? and why it and not some other dope.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-09 15:14 asciilifeform: iirc it is mostly made in mexico now.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479224 << BingoBoingo has it. the entirety of the us "drug on wars" thing reduces to "we gotta keep police largest street gang ~everywhere". it ~works.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-09 15:16 BingoBoingo: The Mexican meth largely serves to keep anyone from quietly becoming mega drug kingpin
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479234 << vodka is a downer, and still involved in most cases where sov milician got his skull bashed.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-09 15:20 asciilifeform: i'm still quite unconvinced that empire is better off selling, e.g., the usual vodka, in shops, than meth.
asciilifeform: imho the powerz of dope are overblown. vodka will loosen inhibitions but nobody gets the basic idea of cracking a skull from it. ditto meth, stupid man will be 10x more vigorous in his idiocy, erdos - 10x theorems.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479240 <<< aaaaand yet, even with "free" "love" and plenty of virgins, the kids that 3 centuries ago'd have been sailors STILL prefer not to fuck ; but instead http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1478315
a111: Logged on 2016-06-07 19:26 mircea_popescu: "Empirically the most ‘attractive’ man in our community including for purposes of casual sex is Mike Blume, who (I’ve asked a woman or two) achieves this by being extremely polite, reliable, and generating a feeling of being very safe to be around or date (contrary to a number of people who’d allege that this is beta-male behavior who I’m beginning to suspect are just sheerly empirically wrong)." << aha
a111: Logged on 2016-06-09 15:26 asciilifeform: the 'sex is the devil's temptation' idiots have easy pickings in that climate.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's rank nonsense you know.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how's that
mircea_popescu: first off, "losens inhibitions", tell you what, igot plenty of inhibited derps drunk when i was a teen. best sex was still in between the thighs of the sluts.
asciilifeform: inhibition against cracking skull, is what i meant
mircea_popescu: second off, "10x" bull. it's an unmeasurable 9.9x vs allegedly 10.1x, except so deep under the random variation sea it's not worth investigating.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the brain is economical ; only has one inhibition.
asciilifeform: not worth per who's lights ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's ? we already knew that.
mircea_popescu: per my lights.
mircea_popescu: it's ~same as "magical magnets improve fuel economy" sorta thing
asciilifeform: more like nitro in petrol.
asciilifeform: there is a time and a place for it.
mircea_popescu: mkay. still not worth it.
asciilifeform: not in washington traffic, no.
asciilifeform: on racetrack - sometimes.
mircea_popescu: and if someone is using it... does ~nothing.
mircea_popescu: sorry. and if someone is using it... everyone is using it... does ~nothing.
asciilifeform: $s mathematics lost a month
a111: 1 results for "mathematics lost a month", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mathematics%20lost%20a%20month
mircea_popescu: "let's all stand on tiptoes we'll see the game better"
asciilifeform: the fella who needs to reach the shelf
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mno. racetrack. racetrack is when you shuffle papers.
mircea_popescu: the only thing it's good for is for better satisfaction of "publish or perish"
mircea_popescu: ie, racetrack. rat track.
asciilifeform: sure. or scrubbing toilet as in that film. or whatever stupid thing, if you're doing a stupid thing.
asciilifeform: but point being that folks aren't doing stupid thing ~because~ of the dope.
mircea_popescu: cheaper to not do stupid thing than to find ways to "do it 3% better". for the obvious reason - you're doing stupid thing because of state, which means it'll immediately self-level.
mircea_popescu: sov cattle knew as much, which is how sov economic collapse came about.
asciilifeform: you could make argument that the dope makes the intolerable - tolerable. as the spanish eventually permitted the inca silver miners their coca again.
mircea_popescu: you could, and moreover i have been.
asciilifeform: where i'm from, the dope used to make intolerable - tolerable - is vodka
asciilifeform: and it works for said purpose.
asciilifeform: with own set of side effects.
asciilifeform: ~every culture has own variant, and cracks down on alternatives.
mircea_popescu: speaking of side effects : this morn i woke up, executed a bottle of champagne with homemade apple pie and scantily clad damsels to the backing of 70s/80s italian made-for-tv comedies (atti impuri, anyone ever seen ? THAT is how you make shit for the tv!).
mircea_popescu: you can keep your motherfucking meth.
mircea_popescu: sent me straight back to sleep, it did.
asciilifeform always imagines that mircea_popescu sleeps for 18+ hr/day, like a housecat
mircea_popescu: nah. about 7ish.
mircea_popescu: i think it;'s what adults sleep.
mircea_popescu: teh teens tend to want 14 if possibru! then a decade later, they're back to maybe 8.
asciilifeform: for some reason i pictured that when i get to stop using alarms i will sleep, sleep...
asciilifeform: like thirsty man wants to 'drink ocean'
mircea_popescu has seen with own eyes.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-09 15:28 asciilifeform: that brings us back to 18th c. french state of the art re tax collection
mircea_popescu: ~only way to make yourself rich in the socialist empire, be it of the "egalite fraternite humanatee" revolution or of the "faggotry, equality, poverty" revolution, is through taking up a tax farm.
asciilifeform: re this, and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479380 , i am left to wonder why the plunder is not carried out in or near, e.g., airports, train stations.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-09 20:06 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479199 << oklahoma is not rural, it is central. bandits favour notthingham forest for a reason, which isn't that "it's impenetrable", but rather that it is semi-permeable and oft permeated.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because plunder is where robber barons feel safe, not where the scania sounds are fulla fish.
asciilifeform: but why they feel safest in ok ?
asciilifeform: still mystery to me.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, always been land of banditry.
mircea_popescu: recall the classical period ?
mircea_popescu: mod6 is that it ?
mod6: dont voice, testing...
mod6: aha
mircea_popescu: oh, did you make it to self-voice and stuff, no need to add it to list ?
mod6: yeah. i did all the work to get it into the wot, plus a L1 from me, plus code to auth/voice itself.
mod6: %h
tb0t: <%a|%add> <project> <code> <subject> <notes> [ante] | <%e|%edit> <project> <id> <code> <subject> <notes> [ante] | <%r|%remove> <project> <id> | <%p|%print> <project> <id> | <%pp|%print_projects> | <%pc|%print_codes>
mod6: %p trb 32
tb0t: Project: trb, ID: 32, Type: T, Subject: Test funk's import/dump priv key vpatch, Antecedents: 2, Notes: Use mod6's rebased vpatch, apply to latest vpatches in thebitcoin.foundation mirror. Test import/export of private keys. Should use both valid and invalid keys here. Also test send/recieve; leave no stone unturned. http://www.mod6.net/btcf/test/mod6_funken_prikey_tools.vpatch
trinque: nice!!
mircea_popescu: nice. i guess everyone just steals it from you going forward.
mod6: %pp
tb0t: Projects: trb
mod6: so this thing will let you print/view codes/print projects as long as you're voiced in #trilema. but you need L1 with deedbot to add/edit/remove
mircea_popescu: mod6 and it ignores pms ?
mod6: yeah
mircea_popescu: perfect ; ima spend the rest of the day structuring this and we see!
mod6: ut oh
trinque: wat!
mircea_popescu: JEALOUSY
mircea_popescu: are you a blonde deedbot ?
mod6: well it should only query deedbot when issued a command. so it shouldn't be spamming it...
trinque: got an SSL error
mod6: but yeah deedbot needs to be up in order for commands to function properly since it checks if someone has the proper auth/level.
mod6: ah ok.
mod6: the graphs and charts are generated 4 times per hour and pushed into: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/
mod6: including new projects.
mod6: to add a new project, you simply add a new ticket with a new project name, like this:
trinque: ft meade was restarting their MITMtron to diddle tickets
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479258 << i don't get this. isn't the FUCKING POINT ofspending extra for "SUV" that you can drive in any direction from any point within the state of ok ?
a111: Logged on 2016-06-09 15:40 BingoBoingo: Oklahomo isn't easy to flee... Toll roads and lpr cameras everywhere
mod6: %add foobar F "TEST SUBJECT" "TEST NOTES FOR NEW PROJECT TICKET"
mod6: %p foobar 1
tb0t: Project: foobar, ID: 1, Type: F, Subject: TEST SUBJECT, Antecedents: , Notes: TEST NOTES FOR NEW PROJECT TICKET
mircea_popescu: mod6 i feel like it's xmas!
mod6: those quotes are needed for the above. so i still need to update the help message. sorry about that.
mod6: they deliniate the start and end of the subject and notes fields. if you want to add a blocking ticket (antecedent) you just tack that on the end like so:
mod6: %add foobar X "TEST TICKET 2" "TEST TICKET 2 NOTES" 1
mod6: now ticket 2 is predicated on ticket 1
mod6: %p foobar 2
tb0t: Project: foobar, ID: 2, Type: X, Subject: TEST TICKET 2, Antecedents: 1, Notes: TEST TICKET 2 NOTES
mod6: mircea_popescu: thanks! salud
shinohai: It lives!
mod6: it even does stuff
mod6: logging feature still needs a bit of rounding-out to implement the format we discussed before. and the help thing, which im going to tweak now actually.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-09 15:44 asciilifeform: phf: better still, ordinary cyanoacrylate glue for 50 cents a tube, but 'medical' - for $20+.
mod6: ok help is fixed, should be correct on next restart, but im fine to let you all try it out if you like.
tb0t: <%a|%add> <project> <code> <subject> <notes> [ante] | <%e|%edit> <project> <id> <code> <subject> <notes> [ante] | <%r|%remove> <project> <id> | <%p|%print> <project> <id> | <%pp|%print_projects> | <%pc|%print_codes>
shinohai: Sad I know all these commands by heart already lol
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479266 << mno. it bonds well the skin, and ftr cutman (boxing item) actually had a very duct-tape-y thing before ducttape, and used cyanoacrylate early also. but no such things as "cut liver", infection is the larger problem there.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-09 15:45 asciilifeform: (cyanoacrylate - 'super' - glue - is quite possibly the single greatest advance in wound suturing ever to happen, works great on everything from paper cut to 7.62x39-through-the-liver)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479270 <<< this is a much more serious problem than anyone commonly realises. us "psych" quackery diagnosis ~= death sentence. works faster than the judicial one too, less than a decade.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-09 15:46 trinque: or leaving with a failing liver after you succumb to their pill pushing
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479278 << this was illegal to do in romania ; afaik still is. kinda classic "cop wanted to snag you" thing in media, "and where's your fa kit???"
a111: Logged on 2016-06-09 15:50 asciilifeform: but not a box with bandages, disinfectant, tourniquette, anything.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479286 << not the worst of ideas ; i had them in my mercs also. depends a lot on engine, but the water pump conveyor belt was by far the largest vulnerability of the thing. have belt, 300% better reliability, need roadside servicing never as opposed to maybe once every other year.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-09 15:51 asciilifeform: trinque drives around with spare belts ?
mod6: shinohai: haha. you're an expert!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479327 << lead pipes are seriously not a hazard. UNLESS IMBECILES.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-09 16:29 phf: philadelphia is all led pipes so they just give you a little paper that lets you test the water for free, and then presumably move "elsewhere"
mircea_popescu: heh... nevermind me. move elsewhere.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479332 << hey, co earns its keep neh ? visa also wants a chunk of pie, so this is best solution.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-09 18:07 asciilifeform: unless, of course, they have exception hardcoded for autoplunderator co.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479350 << bb will end up studied in journalist school.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-09 18:58 BingoBoingo: Having our own memes is important for establishing a Qntra identity that goes beyond Qntra>Coindesk while also cultivating a shared experience among our readers through humor.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "Many have tried to find an easier softer way than the WoT, but they could not." < "Many have tried to find an easier softer way than the WoT ; and just as many have failed to date."
shinohai: Inherent laziness.
shinohai: SO much easier to dumbuser:pa55w0rd
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479356 << juyst like most anglo derps are exact clones of each other. then they wanna compete for mates and money and whatnot, in their trite identity.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-09 19:06 shinohai: Most other Bitcoin related news sites are exact clones of each other, the ones I know of anyway. Bitcoinist is probably the worst.
shinohai: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkiY42nUkAAFb8R.jpg <<< read, thought of asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: heh. these stupid shits, seriously. all coy and like... "please fuck with hollow copyright claims". where the fuck is the mockery of "rights" and assorted bullshit ?
mircea_popescu: they're definitely asking for it.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-09 20:43 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479266 << mno. it bonds well the skin, and ftr cutman (boxing item) actually had a very duct-tape-y thing before ducttape, and used cyanoacrylate early also. but no such things as "cut liver", infection is the larger problem there.
asciilifeform: ~bleeding~ was the issue.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-09 20:45 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479278 << this was illegal to do in romania ; afaik still is. kinda classic "cop wanted to snag you" thing in media, "and where's your fa kit???"
asciilifeform: (probably is in all civilized countries)
mircea_popescu: mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/trb_ascii_graph.txt << ideally numbers should be hooverable, ie show ticket content if you put mouse on it. title="$ticket" iirc.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo "Many have tried to find an easier softer way than the WoT, but they could not." < "Many have tried to find an easier softer way than the WoT ; and just as many have failed to date." << Present phrasing is a literary reference. Evaluating submission nao
asciilifeform: 'Why would a Bitcoin payment processor fail to fix an error that prevents them from processing Bitcoin payments for nearly a month?' << l0l!
mircea_popescu: $google "many have tried to find an easier softer way than" "but they could not"
mircea_popescu: all i get is qntra :) what's the reference BingoBoingo ?
BingoBoingo: Chapter 5 of the Big Book.
BingoBoingo: $google "many have tried to find an easier softer way but they could not"
mircea_popescu: ahahaha alcoholics anonymous mmmkay.
asciilifeform: sooooooo in other nyooz here's a small preview of things to come:
asciilifeform: i discovered that mainstream finite field libs are as complicated as they are largely because they insist on growable - and, ergo, heap-allocated - nums.
mircea_popescu: tbh, the heap should go away entirely.
mircea_popescu: wtf is it even a thing for.
asciilifeform: for items whose size you ~do not know~ in advance.
asciilifeform: which - notably - integers used in crypto ARE NOT.
mircea_popescu: this is not programming.
deedbot: [Qntra] Dr. Joseph Bielanski Reappointed to California Community Colleges Board of Governor - http://qntra.net/2016/06/dr-joseph-bielanski-reappointed-to-california-community-colleges-board-of-governor/
asciilifeform: anyway pre-allocated-buffers-for-motherfucking-everything is sop in 'this must work' (e.g., avionics) world.
asciilifeform: what is interesting is that - as far as i can tell - no one has ever published example of finite field system from such.
asciilifeform: 'there is a first time for everything'
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479258 << i don't get this. isn't the FUCKING POINT ofspending extra for "SUV" that you can drive in any direction from any point within the state of ok ? << Possibru if weather cooperates. If raining (rare) the clay soil turns into some nasty mud.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-09 15:40 BingoBoingo: Oklahomo isn't easy to flee... Toll roads and lpr cameras everywhere
asciilifeform: also typical 'suv' is 'fetish of power, not power'
asciilifeform: dun actually work off the asphalt.
mircea_popescu: eh i can't be arsed ; working on ticketizing and who the fuck is this jwz.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-06 22:04 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-06#1477600 << not altogether an idle question.
asciilifeform: so this could be - answer.
asciilifeform: or rather, part of the disinfo re same.
mircea_popescu: myeah i was looking more for a single line from credible souce. "pdf" from usg exact opposite on all scores.
asciilifeform: choice lulz, '...The other incident raises more serious concerns regarding Tor Project’s obligation to ensure a safe and comfortable work environment, especially as regards an environment that is unwelcoming or hostile to protected classes of community members. In this case, you made statements that implied that new community members were recruited in a sexually charged manner. This was made during the course of a Tor Project-sanct
asciilifeform: ioned work session which you took part in leading. The very statement that the inception of a working relationship was in any way influenced by sexual conduct or even innuendo is offensive...'
asciilifeform: hey nobody said it was true!11111
mircea_popescu: the what ?!
mircea_popescu: holy shit already.
mircea_popescu: there is no obligation on the part of anyone to ensure "safe and comfortable" anything for anyone else. and fuck "protected classes" with a barbed fence.
mircea_popescu: being part of a usg "protected class" is insta-outlawry. everyone may take your shit, rape you and kill you, and nobody cares. serves you fucking right, shithead.
mircea_popescu can't believe there isn't a html bird flipping glyph
mircea_popescu: fucking turdeaters, they piled everything else in there, except the ~single nonverbal glyph anyone actually wants.
asciilifeform: i looked for one when making s.nsa icon, had to make manually.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/trb_ascii_graph.txt << ideally numbers should be hooverable, ie show ticket content if you put mouse on it. title="$ticket" iirc. << sure. the ascii ticket graph is just ascii. not sure of any way to "mark up" the text without turning into something that's not text.
mircea_popescu: mod6 oh there is that huh.
mircea_popescu: maybe. i dunno.
mod6: There could be some labels made or something in the ascii graph to make it a bit more readable though, i agree with that.
mod6: svg exists. that's the other one
mircea_popescu: ah i had it as a plaintext display for some reason.
mod6: damnit "trickets"
mod6: wth
mod6: :]
mod6: so that one doesn't have much of a mouse over, and probably has a lot of room for improvement all around.
mod6: the mouse over on the arrows show the relationships, the mouse over on the vertex shows the id.
mircea_popescu: hahaha trickets.
mod6: if you click on the vertex, it takes you to the anchored ticket in the corresponding ticket list.
mircea_popescu: mod6 what are the types ? d ? f ?
mod6: %pc
tb0t: Ticket Type Codes: C => CHANGE | D => DEFECT | F => FEATURE | I => INVESTIGATE | R => REFERENCE | S => SAGA | T => TASK | X => DOCUMENT
mircea_popescu: hm interesting.
mircea_popescu: what's saga ? :D
mod6: so far, nothing entirely meaningful there, although later could do reporting or something based on code, or sorting, something. gives it a "flavor" if you will.
mod6: Saga is meant as a really large task, an adventure of sorts.
mod6: I'm sick of "epic" tickets, so came up with a "saga". For trb, a saga is something like ``ideal bitcoin''.
shinohai: It will be interesting to state `Worked on this saga today`
mod6: :]
mod6: i felt like it could add flavor or meaning to some of these structured or arragned tickets.
mod6: %p trb 28
tb0t: Project: trb, ID: 28, Type: S, Subject: Ideal bitcoin, Antecedents: 3,4,5,12,14,15,18,19,20,21,25,26, Notes:
mircea_popescu: mod6 well this has been quite energizing, i'm making a thing rightnao.
mod6: Like this guy ^, for completion he depends on completion of many other ticket.s
mod6: glad you think it's a worthwhile thing Mr. P. there is so much that gets into the logs, and this will be a much easier way (hopefully) to keep track of all of the republics work or tasks, or whatever reallly.
mircea_popescu: it actually encourages much more systematic thinking, and how!
shinohai raises a cup of tea to tb0t and mod6
mircea_popescu: %add UCI S "TMSR's own Unified Computing Interface" "The goal of TMSR as far as computing is concerned is to deploy a cheap, effectual, networked computing interface that can not be disrupted significantly under any circumstances by any adversary for whatever reason." 8
tb0t: [%p|%print] <project> <id>
mircea_popescu: %p UCI 1
tb0t: Project: UCI, ID: 1, Type: S, Subject: TMSR's own Unified Computing Interface, Antecedents: 8, Notes: The goal of TMSR as far as computing is concerned is to deploy a cheap, effectual, networked computing interface that can not be disrupted significantly under any circumstances by any adversary for whatever reason.
mircea_popescu: %add UCI F "#trilema standard bot" "Should be capable of maintaining connection to channel ; interfacing with deedbot ; interfacing with Lordship/voiced users."
mircea_popescu: %add UCI F "Create UCI worker for Windows (10, 7, 8/8.1)" "Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage."
mircea_popescu: %add UCI F "Create UCI worker for Linux (Ubuntu, Debian, Mint, Fedora, Centos etc)" "Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage."
mircea_popescu: %add UCI F "Create UCI worker for Mobile (Android, iOS/OS X)" "Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage."
mircea_popescu: %add UCI F "Create UCI worker for Embedded/ARM" "Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage."
mircea_popescu: %p UCI 6
tb0t: No such ticket was found with id: 6.
mircea_popescu: %p UCI 2
tb0t: Project: UCI, ID: 2, Type: F, Subject: #trilema standard bot, Antecedents: , Notes: Should be capable of maintaining connection to channel ; interfacing with deedbot ; interfacing with Lordship/voiced users.
mircea_popescu: %p UCI 3
tb0t: Project: UCI, ID: 3, Type: F, Subject: Create UCI worker for Embedded/ARM, Antecedents: , Notes: Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage.
mircea_popescu: %p UCI 4
tb0t: Project: UCI, ID: 4, Type: F, Subject: Create UCI worker for Embedded/ARM, Antecedents: , Notes: Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage.
mircea_popescu: %p UCI 5
tb0t: No such ticket was found with id: 5.
mircea_popescu: mod6 ^ bug!
mircea_popescu: %r UCI 3
mircea_popescu: %r UCI 4
mircea_popescu: %p UCI 3
tb0t: No such ticket was found with id: 3.
mircea_popescu: %add UCI F "Create UCI worker for Windows (10, 7, 8/8.1)" "Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage."
mircea_popescu: %p UCI 3
tb0t: Project: UCI, ID: 3, Type: F, Subject: Create UCI worker for Windows (10, 7, 8/8.1), Antecedents: , Notes: Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage.
mircea_popescu: %add UCI F "Create UCI worker for Linux (Ubuntu, Debian, Mint, Fedora, Centos etc)" "Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage."
mircea_popescu: %p UCI 4
tb0t: Project: UCI, ID: 4, Type: F, Subject: Create UCI worker for Linux (Ubuntu, Debian, Mint, Fedora, Centos etc), Antecedents: , Notes: Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage.
mircea_popescu: %add UCI F "Create UCI worker for Mobile (Android, iOS/OS X)" "Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage."
mircea_popescu: %p UCI 5
tb0t: Project: UCI, ID: 5, Type: F, Subject: Create UCI worker for Mobile (Android, iOS/OS X), Antecedents: , Notes: Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage.
mircea_popescu: %add UCI F "Create UCI worker for Embedded/ARM" "Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage."
mircea_popescu: %p UCI 6
tb0t: Project: UCI, ID: 6, Type: F, Subject: Create UCI worker for Embedded/ARM, Antecedents: , Notes: Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage.
mircea_popescu: %add UCI I "Research and design UCI/worker interface." "UCI element should expose significant portions of native ability (at a very minimum networking ; math processing - CPU and VidCard ; storage - RAM and HDD) through an unified, lightweight interface. Feature load less important than simplicity. " 3,4,5,6
mircea_popescu: %p UCI 7
tb0t: Project: UCI, ID: 7, Type: I, Subject: Research and design UCI/worker interface., Antecedents: 3,4,5,6, Notes: UCI element should expose significant portions of native ability (at a very minimum networking ; math processing - CPU and VidCard ; storage - RAM and HDD) through an unified, lightweight interface. Feature load less important than simplicity.
mircea_popescu: %add UCI F "Create UCI supervisor" "Interacts with UCI worker through interface ; interacts with peers through #trilema standard bot. Maintains list of prices for exposed abilities (in satoshi/Gb/second of storage for instance) and Bitcoin address for payments ; list of trusted peers for accepting orders and verifying Bitcoin payments ; administrative policies as appropriate. Directs worker to execute accepted commands, retur
mircea_popescu: ns results to peer." 2,7
mircea_popescu: %p UCI 8
tb0t: No such ticket was found with id: 8.
mircea_popescu: %add UCI F "Create UCI supervisor" "Interacts with UCI worker through interface ; interacts with peers through #trilema standard bot. Maintains list of prices for exposed abilities and Bitcoin address for payments ; list of trusted peers for accepting orders and verifying Bitcoin payments ; administrative policies as appropriate. Directs worker to execute accepted commands, returns results to peer." 2,7
mircea_popescu: %p UCI 8
tb0t: Project: UCI, ID: 8, Type: F, Subject: Create UCI supervisor, Antecedents: 2,7, Notes: Interacts with UCI worker through interface ; interacts with peers through #trilema standard bot. Maintains list of prices for exposed abilities and Bitcoin address for payments ; list of trusted peers for accepting orders and verifying Bitcoin payments ; administrative policies as appropriate. Directs worker to execute accepted commands,
mircea_popescu: does this make sense to anyone outside of yours truly ? asciilifeform ? davout ? jurov ? phf ? trinque ?
trinque: seems you could execute things on a variety of UCI workers and compare results
trinque: I recall the last thread about this
mircea_popescu: do anything you damn well please - from hosting your (uninterdictable) website on half a million random machines to nuking whitehouse.org
trinque: love it.
mircea_popescu: map the entire dns system, eavesdrop the entire internet, create your own dns, launch satellites and nukes (hey, who's to say what peripherals a given machine has, amirite ?), whatever.
mircea_popescu: if it is computing, it belongs to us.
mircea_popescu: if nothing else, it'll put an actual market rate on running bitcoin nodes.
mod6 reads scrollback
mod6: %p uci 1
tb0t: No such ticket was found with id: 1.
mod6: o.O
mod6: %p UCI 1
tb0t: Project: UCI, ID: 1, Type: S, Subject: TMSR's own Unified Computing Interface, Antecedents: 8, Notes: The goal of TMSR as far as computing is concerned is to deploy a cheap, effectual, networked computing interface that can not be disrupted significantly under any circumstances by any adversary for whatever reason.
mod6: ok
mod6: %p UCI 2
tb0t: Project: UCI, ID: 2, Type: F, Subject: #trilema standard bot, Antecedents: , Notes: Should be capable of maintaining connection to channel ; interfacing with deedbot ; interfacing with Lordship/voiced users.
mod6: %p UCI 3
tb0t: Project: UCI, ID: 3, Type: F, Subject: Create UCI worker for Windows (10, 7, 8/8.1), Antecedents: , Notes: Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage.
mod6: %p UCI 4
tb0t: Project: UCI, ID: 4, Type: F, Subject: Create UCI worker for Linux (Ubuntu, Debian, Mint, Fedora, Centos etc), Antecedents: , Notes: Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage.
mod6: %p UCI 5
tb0t: Project: UCI, ID: 5, Type: F, Subject: Create UCI worker for Mobile (Android, iOS/OS X), Antecedents: , Notes: Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage.
mod6: %p UCI 6
tb0t: Project: UCI, ID: 6, Type: F, Subject: Create UCI worker for Embedded/ARM, Antecedents: , Notes: Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage.
mod6: %p UCI 7
tb0t: Project: UCI, ID: 7, Type: I, Subject: Research and design UCI/worker interface., Antecedents: 3,4,5,6, Notes: UCI element should expose significant portions of native ability (at a very minimum networking ; math processing - CPU and VidCard ; storage - RAM and HDD) through an unified, lightweight interface. Feature load less important than simplicity.
mod6: %p UCI 8
tb0t: Project: UCI, ID: 8, Type: F, Subject: Create UCI supervisor, Antecedents: 2,7, Notes: Interacts with UCI worker through interface ; interacts with peers through #trilema standard bot. Maintains list of prices for exposed abilities and Bitcoin address for payments ; list of trusted peers for accepting orders and verifying Bitcoin payments ; administrative policies as appropriate. Directs worker to execute accepted commands,
mod6: ok, yeah, i see all of those in the file. lemme see what happened when you were entering 'em. thanks for doing that, might be a weird timing issue or something, not sure.
mircea_popescu: prolly some race conditions i'd guess
mod6: ah, yeah, ok. i see all of 'em came in at nearly the same time. should have handled it, but looks like it got a bit confused.
mod6: i'll check into that.
mod6: cool, your graphs are up :]
mod6: oh!
mircea_popescu: maybe not yet long enough though
mircea_popescu: i'd give it a few mins.
mod6: probably because it was related to the timing of entering the tickets.
mod6: the next update ~should~ contain them all.
mod6: yeah, exactly.
mod6: ok refresh, it's updated :]
mircea_popescu: of course... aren't the arrows backwards ?
mod6: hm. so is ticket 1 an antecedent (parent) of ticket 8?
mircea_popescu: no but hm.
mircea_popescu: shouldn't arrows point from root to fruit ?
mircea_popescu: (do x) -> (so you can do y) -> (so you can be done)
mircea_popescu: did i do them backwards ?
mod6: no. actually.
mod6: so ticket 1 is a saga, which can't be complete until 8 is complete, correct?
BingoBoingo: So who is writing up the Qntra "T Ascendant"?
mircea_popescu: correct.
mod6: ok then that should be fine it kinda looks funny i suppose. but 1 is the root.
mod6: and the 5, 6, 4, 3, are the leaves
mircea_popescu: i guess just takes getting used to
mod6: well and #2
mircea_popescu: any convention's just a convention after all.
mod6: yah, i kinda modled it after how the tree looks for V.
mod6: ooh, i see
mod6: so for ticket 6, i may have put in its antecedent as 7
mod6: and the same for 3, 4, 5
mircea_popescu: well no the other way around ; 7 depends on them
mod6: hmmm ok lemme see
mod6: so yeah, we start with a large chunk, and it breaks down to smaller chunks.
mod6: this looks right to me
mod6: i guess this can be re-worked if it invokes too much mental gymnastics.
mod6: but to me looks like everything goes the right way, and dependentcies are in the correct direction
mod6: maybe "ANTECEDENTS" is a bad word here, perhaps "DEPENDENTS"
mod6: that might make it that much more clear.
mod6: your tickets are awesome btw
mod6: wewt!
mod6: and as we start to work on these features, it is meant (at least by me) that tasks and other atomic work will be children of the features.
mod6: BingoBoingo: did you read these tickets? don't miss out on Mr. P.'s vision for TMSR~ here in the story.
mod6: I feel like we've needed this tool for some time as he was only needing a way to track and graph the work required.
BingoBoingo: mod6: Well I asked the question in case you or mircea_popescu wanted to have the honor of writing up T
mod6: oooh
shinohai: mod6 makes Qntra debut
mod6: ;;seen mike_c
gribble: mike_c was last seen in #trilema 6 weeks, 1 day, 20 hours, 40 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <mike_c> at least you won the 'most famous mircea popescu' award - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mircea+popescu
mod6: ah. ok.
mod6: btcalpha isn't updating from deedbot ?
mod6: I'm not much of a writer. Obviously.
mod6: lol
mod6: But I'll take a shot at it I guess as long as the proceeds can be donated to The Bitcoin Foundation.
BingoBoingo: mod6: You arrange that with jurov
mod6: Ah, he's the man on that then, ok.
mod6: jdawg: does that work ok?
mod6: he'll get back to us, im sure its fine.
mod6: unless mircea_popescu wants to have the honor, then by all means.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-09 23:39 mod6: I feel like we've needed this tool for some time as he was only needing a way to track and graph the work required.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479756 <<< i dun recall where that got mired ; iirc mike_c wanted some data from trinque no idea if he ever got it an' he's been kinda awol.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-09 23:41 mod6: btcalpha isn't updating from deedbot ?
mod6: ah
mircea_popescu: mod6 anyway, go ahead an' write it up, i already did a qntra today
mod6: ah, ok. working on something here...
shinohai: btw mircea_popescu "Pace in our Time!" good one
mod6: ahaha
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479757 Says "I'm not much of a writer", writes awesome bot.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-09 23:42 mod6: I'm not much of a writer. Obviously.
mod6: o7
mod6: Couldn't have done it without you though, thanks for all the testing help. Most sincerely.
shinohai: Glad to have been help and not hindrance ... 'twas an honour to participate.
shinohai: And really fun, learned a lot about perl I didn't before.
mod6: salud; now that we've got a ticketing system, we can see how much there really is to do still! haha.
mod6: much more to come / work on.
mod6 turning people to the dark side, one at a time.
shinohai: Well this place has kinda mrphed into full-time between Bitcoin and Qntra lol
shinohai: *morphed
mod6: watch out or you'll start writing #!/usr/bin/perl all the time
mod6: :D
trinque: mircea_popescu: mike_c told me he was able to connect to my db; subsequently haven't heard from him
shinohai: Since we finished the rss thing last night, I'm already working on a new one xD
asciilifeform lands face first into gnarly l0gz
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479597 << veeery labour-intensive to read
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479630 << lel what in satan's name is this for??
a111: Logged on 2016-06-09 22:59 mircea_popescu: %add UCI F "Create UCI worker for Windows (10, 7, 8/8.1)" "Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage."
mod6: <+asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479597 << veeery labour-intensive to read << ok, noted. so my first stab at this... more here please.
mod6: its hard because there are like a number of disconnected graphs, or hard because of mental gymnastics? i'd like to make it better, so your input helps.
asciilifeform: because clicking
asciilifeform: i have it on a 2160x3840 display
asciilifeform: why should there be ocean of white
asciilifeform: vs the text that wants to be in them bubbles.
mod6: i probably could/should have all of the tickets clumped under one tree. but i need to work on the tickets and ordering etc.
asciilifeform: thing is a good start
asciilifeform: maybe borrow phf's formatting code he used in his patch viewer?
mod6: i'll see what i can do, ya. ok.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479673 << i distinctly recall mircea_popescu outlining this wish list a while back. but must confess that i suspect cpu cycle rental - even PINCHED cycles from OTHER PEOPLE, in botnet - to be a -ev proposition. strange, but there it is.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-09 23:04 mircea_popescu: does this make sense to anyone outside of yours truly ? asciilifeform ? davout ? jurov ? phf ? trinque ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: one of them things that costs more to parcel out than it is worth.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479676 << i suspect that there are not half a million machines with decent bandwidth and disk.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-09 23:06 mircea_popescu: do anything you damn well please - from hosting your (uninterdictable) website on half a million random machines to nuking whitehouse.org
asciilifeform: but more importantly, the software stack that gives you anything like smooth migration between rapidly born and dying machines, is NOT THERE
asciilifeform: was not invented.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ever personally arrange a db replication thing ?
asciilifeform: recall how much misery ?
asciilifeform: and that's with 2+ DECENT unixlike boxen, with DECENT bandwidth and ~reasonably reliable hardware, that you CONTROL...
asciilifeform: this is sorta like our 'revelation' re crypto a few months back.
asciilifeform: there is ~no tech, only duct tape and chewing gum.
asciilifeform: as for ddosing, usg infrastructure is ddosproof because they multi-head their dns or whatever the term was for the thing you can ONLY do with crapflare
asciilifeform: ddos only exists for the rest of us.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479680 << not that, either. because how do you VERIFY ?????
a111: Logged on 2016-06-09 23:11 mircea_popescu: if nothing else, it'll put an actual market rate on running bitcoin nodes.
asciilifeform: it is in principle quite impossible to verify that the thing you wanted computed, was computed, unless it is very tangible input/output pair like mersenne primes or whatnot.
asciilifeform: it is certainly impossible to reliably distinguish node from pseudonode, for instance.
asciilifeform: the other thing about renting out pwned boxes,
asciilifeform: is that a reasonably competent griefer can rent the chumpnet and ~clean it~
asciilifeform: or at least perma-hose the boxen.
asciilifeform: and there cannot even in principle be an answer to this.
asciilifeform: the only reason it does not happen more often with garden-variety botnets is that competent folk are few and far between and no one in particular is a sufficiently-appealing target.
asciilifeform has been contemplating this very subj for many, many years.
asciilifeform: it is ~precisely~ the 'rent out the space inside your nose!' contemplated in one of mircea_popescu's articles.
BingoBoingo: Nah, renting out the space in OTHER people's noses
asciilifeform: dun wurk either.
asciilifeform: you rent out yer chumpnet, and some bozo installs, e.g., 'cryptolocker', on all the nodes.
asciilifeform: now wat.
asciilifeform: you need a new one ?
mod6: BingoBoingo you may want to update the 'about' page on qntra, buncha #bitcoin-assets links and such.
phf: asciilifeform: i thought that botnets had pre-programmed set of functions, like "rent botnet to ddos" or "rent botnet to spam", and that functions were provided by owner
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1479838 << i was speaking of how most folks even get their proggy on the infected boxes in the first place
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 01:03 phf: asciilifeform: i thought that botnets had pre-programmed set of functions, like "rent botnet to ddos" or "rent botnet to spam", and that functions were provided by owner
asciilifeform: typically they pay 'per install'
asciilifeform: riding, so to speak, a bus
phf: oh interesting
asciilifeform: this model is traditional but plays poorly with, e.g., cryptolockers, as these often result in hosed and reformatted box
asciilifeform: i have nfi what will replace it.
phf: i've been burned by fellow scriptkiddies back in my scriptkiddy days enough times to not trust anyone with that sort of open access. i thought that would be the case with others. perhaps there's a distinction between "us" and "johns" happening here. if the person is paying for botnet access, is probably mark to begin with
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479772 << elided e's. feats of fortitude :D
a111: Logged on 2016-06-09 23:59 shinohai: btw mircea_popescu "Pace in our Time!" good one
asciilifeform: thing is, ~all trojans share heavily infested box.
phf: but you can easily upgrade open access service to a custom service and charge for the extra work too. if you want your ads injected on all machines, you don't get to put own exe, needs to spec out the problem and give it to botnet owner to develop. also means that particularly losery owners will rapidly transfer their botnets to smarter crowd
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 00:18 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479630 << lel what in satan's name is this for??
phf: but then i'm just talking out of my ass, i've been out of that field for a long time. i just suspect that the scenario you describe is already pretty common and is probably part of разборки
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1479805 << doesn't have to be botnet. for one thing, once this is ready i'll be running it on dedi boxes. for another thing, you make your own administrative policies. sell for whatever price you want whatever you want to sell.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 00:22 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479673 << i distinctly recall mircea_popescu outlining this wish list a while back. but must confess that i suspect cpu cycle rental - even PINCHED cycles from OTHER PEOPLE, in botnet - to be a -ev proposition. strange, but there it is.
mircea_popescu: storage only for instance.
asciilifeform: why would you want unreliable storage?
mircea_popescu: because unreliable is much much better than "reliable"
asciilifeform: didn't we do the 1024 chickens thing?
mircea_popescu: currently we have "reliable", and i don't want it.
asciilifeform: how many chickens adds up to mercedes motor?
asciilifeform: and let's also say a % of'em are dead at any time, and dragged along by living
mircea_popescu: never mind the chicken perspective. this commoditizes computers.
phf: build for the ecosystem you have not the ecosystem you want sort of thing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ~would~ commoditize. if anyone knew how.
mircea_popescu: ALL computers. ie, the computer attached to the 3d printer as much as to the atm at the bank as much as anything else.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is good, but ~not enough. it's not enough for enemy to be unable to retain the salaried interest of dea thugs.
mircea_popescu: they must be ~unable to retain control over any box.
mircea_popescu: "apparently an intern installed uci. it's the third time this week."
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu just wants an ordinary chumpnet that is a different and far more practical convo.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1479809 << factually, there's about a billion and a half of them.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 00:23 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479676 << i suspect that there are not half a million machines with decent bandwidth and disk.
asciilifeform: and flows from gossipd.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually this should work as a proper tor relay for gossipd.
asciilifeform: this, yes .
mircea_popescu: other than the numerous deliberate sabotages, tor fails in a game theoretic manner - no incentive to participate.
mircea_popescu: socialism.
asciilifeform: but as for 'host a blog ON it and it be readable more often than not' - nobody yet discovered how.
mircea_popescu: give it some time, it'll work fine. if aws works, if folding@home works, if torrents work this'll work superbly.
asciilifeform: aws uses far bigger chunks.
asciilifeform: and reliable pipes.
asciilifeform: anyway afaik state of the art re dht remains edonkey.
mircea_popescu: be all that as it may.
asciilifeform: students of subj ought to begin there.
asciilifeform: and kademlia.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 00:27 asciilifeform: ddos only exists for the rest of us.
mircea_popescu: possibly gnutella also of interest.
asciilifeform: as example of what NOT to do.
asciilifeform: it sucked balls.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1479820 << exactly how you "verify" now. go, verify phuctor.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 00:27 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479680 << not that, either. because how do you VERIFY ?????
asciilifeform: see log
asciilifeform: there is a class of easy verifiables
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 00:29 asciilifeform: is that a reasonably competent griefer can rent the chumpnet and ~clean it~
asciilifeform: and a far bigger class of easy pseudonodables.
mircea_popescu: a "reasonable competent" whatever could... what, bother deedbot. hurr durr.
mircea_popescu: really, these objections belong pre 2010.
asciilifeform: this is a little different. 'somebody dropped nuke on me' 'negrate him!''
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the fact remains you can not, at this present time, distinguish your own node on random box from faux node planted there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this "little different" is essentially saying "the wot is a nice toy but it'll never scale".
asciilifeform: at least from outside.
mircea_popescu: you're welcome to believe that, if you wish. but this place is constructed on that being stupid.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: scales but note how wot dun keep anyone from being stabbed, we have other tools for that
asciilifeform: it is part of balanced diet of defense
mircea_popescu: still ; you have a botnet you're worried about, can parcel it out, rent 10 chunks of 1k machines to 10 people, see who runs with it etc.
mircea_popescu: trust. it builds. all that's needed is a marketplace to build it.
asciilifeform: ~HOW~ do you intend to attribute the defection?
asciilifeform: wot relies on attribution of deeds, misdeeds.
asciilifeform: on some identity.
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as something is computable ; defection is attributable.
asciilifeform: here we are speaking of infected boxes.
mircea_popescu: whatever we may be speaking of.
asciilifeform: in ~all cases, ~multiply~ infected. syphiliticly.
mircea_popescu: so then what exactly was lost.
asciilifeform: can't attribute worth shit.
asciilifeform: well, potentially any and all nodes, lost. whenever.
mircea_popescu: soooo why should we care about this ?
asciilifeform: gotta have some minimal level of working node, neh?
asciilifeform: otherwise if it dun need to actually work, we can proclaim that we already have it!11111
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 01:17 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1479805 << doesn't have to be botnet. for one thing, once this is ready i'll be running it on dedi boxes. for another thing, you make your own administrative policies. sell for whatever price you want whatever you want to sell.
asciilifeform: this is more practical.
asciilifeform: but less 'sexy', no atms, nukes...
mircea_popescu: it's plenty sexy. it resolves a number of notable problems, correctly - which is to say without support for usg.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 00:46 asciilifeform: you rent out yer chumpnet, and some bozo installs, e.g., 'cryptolocker', on all the nodes.
asciilifeform: you still want something that survives occasional bozo.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1479839 << really, who the everloving shit cares about the needs, hopes and aspirations of 19yo script kiddies. fuck 'em. maybe if they have a sister and she's slutty i might be interested.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 01:09 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1479838 << i was speaking of how most folks even get their proggy on the infected boxes in the first place
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform once evolutionary pressure is on, you might even get that something.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 01:15 phf: but you can easily upgrade open access service to a custom service and charge for the extra work too. if you want your ads injected on all machines, you don't get to put own exe, needs to spec out the problem and give it to botnet owner to develop. also means that particularly losery owners will rapidly transfer their botnets to smarter crowd
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: discussed kiddiez because currently that is what lives there. like chukcha, in the north. ~nobody else there.
mircea_popescu: but you discuss it as if i'd give a half of a flying fuck.
mircea_popescu: this is the borg. cube lands and starts sucking the earth from under their feet. no shits given, at all, much like i don't look for anthill oppinions before during or after real estate development.
asciilifeform: strictly in light of 'client can hose the boxes' which applies to chukcha and mircea_popescu alike.
asciilifeform: builders ~do~ give fuck re termites.
mircea_popescu: client that hoses boxes i suppose doesn't get to rent more, what.
asciilifeform: and how do you know which one did it ?
mircea_popescu: you know who you rent to, do you ?
asciilifeform: say you rent to 1000 folks.
asciilifeform: next day, all nodes vanish.
mircea_popescu: "list of trusted peers for accepting orders and verifying Bitcoin payments ; administrative policies as appropriate." this has a meaning.
asciilifeform: now wat
mircea_popescu: you rent THE SAME item to 1k diff folks ?
phf: what happened to wot?
mircea_popescu: this is a wotless joke. you don't even know 1k people.
asciilifeform: 'no overlaps' is one solution.
mircea_popescu: phf we're playing this alf invented game where he picks an item and ignores all the rest.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fine, make it six people. how do you find the traitor (or simple incompetent who let his nodes get hijacked by third party)
asciilifeform: this is an approachable problem, and i wanted to learn what mircea_popescu 's approach is.
asciilifeform: 'lalalala not problem and stfu' is not an approach.
mircea_popescu: a) if your control on the box is strong, then your control on the box is strong. this means you fix the problem ; b) if your control on the box is weak, this means your control on the box is weak. this means you understand you can lose it.
asciilifeform: if it is ever a winblowz box, it is weak.
asciilifeform: if you infected it, others could have also.
mircea_popescu: wtf is so hard about this. so random twerp likes to have b and pretend it's a. good for him, random twerps like to lie in their accounting ever since they were invented. this is what "bitcoin investments" on the forum were all about throughout. so ?
asciilifeform: there is no 'a'. not in botnet.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't have a solution ; because this is a design not an implementation.
mircea_popescu: i know it's not an ~insurmountable~ problem, in the context and per the definitions relevant.
mircea_popescu: and that's just about all i care about.
asciilifeform: damn and here i was expecting a philosopher's stone!1111
mircea_popescu: yeah well. anyway, if your windows boxes are owned through the tenuous interface of whatever random chump-trojan, perhaps not allow a number of operations you feel you're vulnerable to.
asciilifeform: one very simple solution is to recruit new nodes faster than whoever can ruin them.
mircea_popescu: such as, sell them out for number crunching ; but not for pinging. or w/e.
asciilifeform: and this.
mircea_popescu: but in general, i fully expect this to work in the sense that random kid makes money to play everquest or w/e the fuck he plays through the avenue of renting the box.
asciilifeform: would go well with keccakcoin or other cpu miner's paradise, also.
mircea_popescu: his government pays an extra 40 bux a month ; his parents pay an extra 30 bux a month (not counting amortisation for hardware) and he gets 15 dollars a month out of maybe 25 to 50 dollars' worth of monthly utility delivered to the world.
mircea_popescu: yet another avenue to bleed the state and it's supporters (fucktarded parents with utility bills).
mircea_popescu: win-win.
asciilifeform: sorta like bitcoin circa 2010.
asciilifeform: when whole university labz were mining.
asciilifeform: i very deeply grasp ~what~ mircea_popescu wants to achieve with this thing, and it is a thing that direly needs doing. but not so trivial!
BingoBoingo: mod6: fixed, just need the deedbot wiki url
BingoBoingo: found, fxd
mod6: cool!
mod6: im still working on a bit of a write up here...
mod6: do I have to add the HTML, links and all that? Or do you do the mark up?
mod6: How does that work?
BingoBoingo: You use the limited necessary set of html markup to accomplish the task <b> <i> <a> <blockquote> etc
mod6: you don't want me to use a bunch of JS to do a bunch of things to make your eyes bleed?
mod6: :D
mod6: do you want me to put in the class attributes?
mod6: like this: <div class="entry-content">
mod6: ?
BingoBoingo: no divs
mod6: no ajax?
mod6: :P
mod6: OK, so then what.
mod6: encrypt and send to you for review?
BingoBoingo: encrypt sign and dpaste
BingoBoingo: in some order
mod6: clearsign+encrypt -> dpaste ?
mod6: my apologies, is this documented somewhere?
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