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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89400 @ 0.0003183 = 28.456 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60000 @ 0.0003183 = 19.098 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102100 @ 0.0003185 = 32.5189 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25325 @ 0.00031986 = 8.1005 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137952 @ 0.0003202 = 44.1722 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57850 @ 0.00033614 = 19.4457 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146698 @ 0.00033908 = 49.7424 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 9354 @ 0.00111 = 10.3829 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 908 @ 0.00111 = 1.0079 BTC
assbot: Luchtgevecht F-16 en F-15 boven Noordzee - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ALyVq3 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71071 @ 0.00033001 = 23.4541 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8829 @ 0.00034017 = 3.0034 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148200 @ 0.00031493 = 46.6726 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00032593 = 7.5942 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 246500 @ 0.00031254 = 77.0411 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46300 @ 0.00032012 = 14.8216 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23079 @ 0.00032593 = 7.5221 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 164700 @ 0.00032788 = 54.0018 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23445 @ 0.00033446 = 7.8414 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20160 @ 0.00032567 = 6.5655 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28734 @ 0.00032953 = 9.4687 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118300 @ 0.00033722 = 39.8931 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65550 @ 0.00033595 = 22.0215 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71600 @ 0.000339 = 24.2724 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43675 @ 0.000339 = 14.8058 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51450 @ 0.000339 = 17.4416 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101425 @ 0.000339 = 34.3831 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52473 @ 0.00033955 = 17.8172 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115766 @ 0.00032424 = 37.536 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97800 @ 0.00032139 = 31.4319 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78951 @ 0.00031558 = 24.9154 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53436 @ 0.00031094 = 16.6154 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130000 @ 0.00031085 = 40.4105 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28054 @ 0.00032139 = 9.0163 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55046 @ 0.00032772 = 18.0397 BTC [+]
jurov: 1mpif
jurov: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021372 B (Total: 467.36 B). Delta: 0.18 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67050 @ 0.00031519 = 21.1335 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126187 @ 0.00032408 = 40.8947 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71036 @ 0.0003247 = 23.0654 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74514 @ 0.00033971 = 25.3132 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14740 @ 0.00034017 = 5.0141 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 8 @ 0.14 = 1.12 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38802 @ 0.00034362 = 13.3331 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40058 @ 0.00034362 = 13.7647 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61823 @ 0.00031519 = 19.486 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69314 @ 0.0003225 = 22.3538 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65200 @ 0.00031672 = 20.6501 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130900 @ 0.00031936 = 41.8042 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00034374 = 8.0091 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3477 @ 0.00031519 = 1.0959 BTC [-]
shinohai: For anyone awake: https://i.imgur.com/TmH2k.jpg [NSFW]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45823 @ 0.00031487 = 14.4283 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12677 @ 0.00033796 = 4.2843 BTC [+]
jurov: shinohai: okay, but...that is nsfw?
shinohai: Better safe than sorry. I get bitched at everywhere else
jurov: lol, never here.
jurov: hello adlai, have you seen pm?
shinohai: Well I have seen some of mp's goodies, so
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36230 @ 0.00031691 = 11.4816 BTC [-]
jurov: !bait
assbot: Startup Ranking ... ( http://bit.ly/1IfWPcV )
jurov: assbot had a !bait command, we all much miss now
punkman: it was some other bot
shinohai: I had a porn scraper bot at one time, forgot what i did with it
jurov: you can revive it and climb in the WoT :DDDD
jurov: when bot will listen only people who +rated you
shinohai: I like assbot. the gpg features are just bees knees
shinohai: Someone rich here buy me this for hannukah https://i.imgur.com/ZeOvA6G.jpg
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114048 @ 0.00031833 = 36.3049 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32404 @ 0.00032419 = 10.5051 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 19:32:18; jurov: everyone just copies the clearsigned test and pastes it to wordpress
jurov: Using the <code> tag doesn't tell WordPress to encode HTML markup within the tag or strip it from the post. WordPress thinks that you are using this markup for formatting, leaving it untouched.
jurov: "problem solved"
davout: yeah well, why are you even putting markup in the GPG message anyway?
mircea_popescu: jurov seems to be working fine for pgp comments on trilema
assbot: BitBet (S.BBET) May 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ig4wjq )
mircea_popescu: shinohai you think ass is not safe for work ?
davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151840 <<< good look doing radio communications without a callsign
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 21:47:50; ascii_field: punkman: for reasons i cannot fathom, usg does not even exempt its own snoops from this.
shinohai: Well, depending on where you work.
mircea_popescu: in bitcoin-ASSets ?
mircea_popescu: in any case, heidi's probably burning to be yours for a song. go sing to her.
jurov: of course it works as long as <>% is avoided
jurov: and overlong lines, too
mircea_popescu hates "html email". why would anyone want html gpg
shinohai votes for assbot to return real pictures of ass, then.
jurov: like, everyone who wants to combine gpg with html?
jurov: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.BBET does not verify, for example
assbot: S.BBET last 300@0.00008000 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ig5vjI )
mircea_popescu: gpg: BAD signature from "Mir
mircea_popescu: for fucks sake.
mircea_popescu: jurov : i have kakobrekla s original signed thing here. ima ima move it to the correct format (as used on ulterior listings) with the html aside.
mircea_popescu: jurov check it now. an' thanks for pointing it out!
deedbot-: rejected: 1
jurov: heh mpex is prolly not on whitelist :DDD
mircea_popescu: dawg this is nuts same file verifies locally.
mircea_popescu: curl http://mpex.co/assets/s.bbet-1F2489E8.txt | gpg gpg: Signature made Sat 05 Jan 2013 02:13:25 AM ART using RSA key ID 1F2489E8
mircea_popescu: gpg: Good signature from "Mat Koce
mircea_popescu: trinque any idea what's going on there ?
jurov: the 1F2489E8 key is not in L2
mircea_popescu: jurov no but i recall he took the whitelisting stuff away. don't tell me KAKO isn't whitelisted.
mircea_popescu: !gettrust kakobrekla
assbot: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user kakobrekla: Level 1: 5, Level 2: 56 via 34 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=kakobrekla | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/kakobrekla/
mircea_popescu: 27C3CE9A20851312F086268C27AF75321F2489E8
mircea_popescu: jurov mind verifying it yourself so i can stop thinking i'm in twilight zone over here ?
jurov: interesting. somehow the key hasn't fetched by my script
jurov: yes sig verifies
mircea_popescu: aha aite.
jurov: iirc trinque used https://github.com/jurov/wot/blob/master/update_gpg.py and somehow kako's key wasn't fetched
assbot: wot/update_gpg.py at master · jurov/wot · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1IgcpFF )
jurov: but idk, maybe it's something yet other
mircea_popescu: aha. i was gonna dump the whole set of contracts in deedbot, but ima wait now to see what he says about this one.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2015#1153723 << if you want to make a bait bot that's not retarded (which is to say, it fetches good quality, always fully nude, slightly fetish stuff) you can prolly have it voiced here. where to get good porn tho...
assbot: Logged on 04-06-2015 12:23:28; shinohai: I like assbot. the gpg features are just bees knees
mircea_popescu: actually, strike that : what i'd really like would be a bot that goes through b-a, takes all images and dumps them in a 8chan thread for the purpose
mircea_popescu: "visual bitcoin assets" or something like that.
shinohai: #b-a on 8chan. I like you already.
assbot: /btc/ - Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1IgeEsl )
shinohai: I did not know that. Bookmarked for future trolling.
mircea_popescu: and you never noticed the banners, either ? o.O
assbot: Logged on 04-06-2015 12:46:56; jurov: lol http://nosuchlabs.com/static/prod.txt froze firefox hard
assbot: Ubuntu is a worse piece of shit than MS-DOS ever was. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Igf6XB )
mircea_popescu: kinda why the warning is there. don't think any aproach other than curl is safe on it
shinohai: I'm not a fan of Ubuntu if I can avoid it
jurov: looks like folks install ubuntu into the emulator just to run eulora
jurov: shoulda have some other option
mircea_popescu: so hurry up with teh windoze.
shinohai: great mircea_popescu, now you showed me that I'll never get work done.
assbot: /btc/ - If you could fight anyone in Bitcoin, who would you fight? ... ( http://bit.ly/1JobI03 )
shinohai: lol top kek
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70450 @ 0.00033341 = 23.4887 BTC [+]
shinohai: I need to send some coins to my cult wallet in a bit
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151840 <<< good look doing radio communications without a callsign << you can, it's called wifi/bluetooth etc
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 21:47:50; ascii_field: punkman: for reasons i cannot fathom, usg does not even exempt its own snoops from this.
decimation: usg setup an 'exception' and now the mob sits upon it
kakobrekla: kako's key wasn't fetched < but i used deedbot earlier and it worked ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134665 @ 0.00033481 = 45.0872 BTC [+] {2}
davout: decimation: human radio communications, from airplanes
davout: "NOVEMBER TWO TWO NINER, PLS TO LAND RUNWAY 28 LEFT"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.00033594 = 10.5485 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: if you want to make a bait bot that's not retarded (which is to say, it fetches good quality, always fully nude, slightly fetish stuff) you can prolly have it voiced here. where to get good porn tho... << have d00d dredge through tumblr and put together a list manually for the bot to take from lol!
davout: williamdunne should just turn indiancandy's webcam on
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74800 @ 0.00033191 = 24.8269 BTC [-]
williamdunne: thestringpuller: That'd be easy to modify scoop for
williamdunne: davout: lol, webcam over IRC?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 173731 @ 0.00033662 = 58.4813 BTC [+] {3}
davout: word
assbot: S.MG - The Ministry of Games. ... ( http://bit.ly/1APPTTZ )
HeySteve: volunteering for porn-dredging duties
HeySteve: found a pic this morning which looks eerily similar to my gf, obviously have a talent for it
williamdunne: HeySteve: You can't say that and not share the picture you found, and the picture of your gf
shinohai: So many pron volunteers, we need no bots xD
williamdunne: But yeah, guessing tumblr has RSS by default, so it would be very easy to modify scoop's source to automatically post porn from a curated list of tumblr porn blogs
assbot: Georgia man wandered around Atlanta airport with a loaded AR-15 because ‘something might happen’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1APQFAk )
HeySteve: haven't really bothered with tumblr, imagefap is my preferred porn source
shinohai: !fap
lobbes: 'If you don’t exercise your rights, the government doesn’t have any hesitation taking them away' attaboy
lobbes: re: pron bots. You could run with williamdunne's idea of curated tumblrs, and then add in a custom tumblr to that list where volunteers dump their pics from whatever source they feel (imagefap, xhamster, etc)
williamdunne: That'd work
trinque: kakobrekla: I synced the keys arsebot had a while back
kakobrekla doesnt have a problem
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Does qntra get a statement on Trilema this month? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149952 http://qntra.net/2015/06/qntra-s-qntr-may-2015-statement/ Or are we in some mystery rotation to have the month off?
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 19:47:49; cazalla: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0PYPXAV.txt
assbot: Qntra (S.QNTR) May 2015 Statement | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGGnCU )
chetty wants naked males too if you guys do a porn bot
williamdunne: chetty: Most of the porn posted includes males, no?
shinohai: In this cradle of free speech, we must be all-inclusive on porn types.
HeySteve: no furries
trinque: that's not even porn
assbot: reddit.com: over 18? ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGHF0z )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00033191 = 3.6344 BTC [-]
trinque: I dunno what that is, but I don't see any fur on the dragons
assbot: (Mostly) Straight Furry Porn ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGIcj4 )
trinque: oh right, I was just thinking of actual furries
trinque: this is more zoophilia
HeySteve: I'm not sure what else to call them besides cartoon beastiophiles
assbot: Fursuit Porn Videos: Hot Fursuit Movies Sextube | Xtube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGIpmq )
assbot: Birds On Dicks ... ( http://bit.ly/1APUIMX )
HeySteve: hmm, "rule 34 + bitcoin" yields no results
HeySteve: internet has failed
williamdunne: HeySteve: rule 35
assbot: Chirpy - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGJk6i )
HeySteve: if we build it, they will come
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93229 @ 0.00033191 = 30.9436 BTC [-]
shinohai: LOL @ chirpy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68764 @ 0.00033553 = 23.0724 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: who was that chick in charge of bitcoin gone wild or whatever?
thestringpuller: the one who did the bitcoin tutorials naked but with domino mask thing on
shinohai: was that Sexy Saffron ?
assbot: Kinkbomb.com - the marketplace for buying & selling fetish video clips ... ( http://bit.ly/1APXlyg )
assbot: Creep - Vintage Postmodern Jukebox Radiohead Cover ft. Haley Reinhart - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGMBm4 )
danielpbarron: nice cover.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39800 @ 0.00034115 = 13.5778 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97800 @ 0.00034216 = 33.4632 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49100 @ 0.00034105 = 16.7456 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 04-06-2015 14:45:51; HeySteve: found a pic this morning which looks eerily similar to my gf, obviously have a talent for it
HeySteve: she say it's not her
mircea_popescu: lobbes lol necroposting on tardstalk ? i imagine it as this cinematic moment, where the current crop of retards meets the previous crop of identical retards and has an identity wtf moment.
mircea_popescu: sorta like highschools work. "what do you mean you're the guy in that seat ? IM THE GUY IN THAT SEAT!!1"
mircea_popescu: HeySteve so ask to meet her sister ? :D
assbot: Logged on 04-06-2015 14:46:17; shinohai: So many pron volunteers, we need no bots xD
HeySteve: heh, suggested taking some comparison shots
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2015#1153835 << /me would much rather see this on 8chan rather than any othe imageboard seeing how the owner of any other imageboard is a poopyhead without a gpg account.
assbot: Logged on 04-06-2015 14:56:23; lobbes: re: pron bots. You could run with williamdunne's idea of curated tumblrs, and then add in a custom tumblr to that list where volunteers dump their pics from whatever source they feel (imagefap, xhamster, etc)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo of course it does!
mircea_popescu: dun fret, it's not even the 5th yet.
mircea_popescu: but yes, both qntra and f.mpif later today.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48700 @ 0.00034132 = 16.6223 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Ah, I though the dealine was before the 5th which is 7-8 hours away
mircea_popescu: "(Mostly) Straight Furry Porn" what the fuck does that even mean!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it's only like 1pm where i live. i just woke up!
mircea_popescu: and generally it's been 1-5th
mike_c: update on exploding computer - it was definitely the power supply. some nasty oil stuff came out of it. i don't know what the hell they put in these things.
mike_c: one big capacitor has melted plastic, but don't know if that was failed component or just nearby
BingoBoingo: Ah. I just assume everything happens on UTC until we supplant UTC with a block height based calendar
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Every now and then capacitors pop
BingoBoingo: It is just what they do
mike_c: it doesn't look exploded though
mike_c: and where the hell did the oil come from?
BingoBoingo: Oil comes from capacitor
BingoBoingo: Sometimes it gets hot and finds a way out, not every pop has to be violently dramatic
mike_c: oh, really? well maybe that was it then. you think it was bad power? cooling fan doesn't seem seized.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88270 @ 0.00033206 = 29.3109 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Could be. It's getting to be air conditioning season
mike_c: fking ancient manhattan building too.. wouldn't be surprised if the power is dirty
mircea_popescu: mike_c ecapacitors just fail. sometimes there's a bad batch and they all get diseased. sometimes it's just freak occurences.
assbot: Logged on 04-06-2015 15:33:00; thestringpuller: the one who did the bitcoin tutorials naked but with domino mask thing on
mike_c: was an OCZ 1kw power supply for the record.. won't be buying from them again.
mircea_popescu: that's ok, everyone buys capacitors from the same coupla outfits anyway.
trinque: mircea_popescu: dunno why that didn't work; I'll look into it
trinque: pulling it down manually and verifying it with deedbot-'s gpg works
BingoBoingo: !up pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: thanks bb, i'll auth too
trinque: mircea_popescu: also if you're planning on doing many at once, I should improve the error output such that it doesn't just say accepted: 55, rejected: 3 (LOL HAVE FUN)
mircea_popescu: haha i was gonna do them one at a time,
mircea_popescu: but more's the point : could the number on the site get a tooltip that's set to equal the first 256 chars of the deed ?
trinque: yeah good idea
mircea_popescu: that solves the 55/3 problem : just let it process, see what made it in
mircea_popescu: hm i have an idea
deedbot-: rejected: 1
deedbot-: accepted: 1
trinque: wut
trinque: I'll step through the code with the one that's barfing
mircea_popescu: aha. trinque i bet you it's Ko�evar
trinque curses python's encoding fuckery
deedbot-: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: francois is ok o.O
deedbot-: accepted: 1
deedbot-: accepted: 1
deedbot-: accepted: 1
deedbot-: accepted: 1
deedbot-: accepted: 1
deedbot-: accepted: 1
deedbot-: accepted: 1
deedbot-: accepted: 1
deedbot-: accepted: 1
deedbot-: accepted: 1
deedbot-: accepted: 1
deedbot-: accepted: 1
trinque: mircea_popescu: did the tooltip; I'll look into that encoding thing shortly
mircea_popescu: splendid.
mircea_popescu: trinque ah, cut out the ---- and hash stuff
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34012 @ 0.00034045 = 11.5794 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: i think that you need to fix it
mircea_popescu: wait is it ?
assbot: S.BBET last 300@0.00008000 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jtvju2 )
mircea_popescu: hmm... could it be I am the cause of this problems ?!?!?!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i think maybe your browser messes you up ? the byte is correct
mircea_popescu: curl it an' see.
trinque: yeah, my browser also fucks that up, but felipelalli reported that his deeds looked right to him
mircea_popescu: Kočevar,
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38737 @ 0.00033191 = 12.8572 BTC [-]
deedbot-: rejected: 1
kakobrekla: o wait it comes up twice
deedbot-: rejected: 1
kakobrekla: dunno
trinque: i'll dissect the specimen shortly
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ^. an' shares added to coinbr
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11746 @ 0.00033174 = 3.8966 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56218 @ 0.00034046 = 19.14 BTC [+] {2}
jurov looks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3022 @ 0.00034297 = 1.0365 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up DanyAlos
DanyAlos: Thanx
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38800 @ 0.00034398 = 13.3464 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: Logged on 04-06-2015 16:27:24; mircea_popescu: that's ok, everyone buys capacitors from the same coupla outfits anyway.
jurov: s.qntr distributed
ascii_field: jp made and makes decent caps; cn happily sells you a turd with fraudulent jp branding printed on
assbot: Logged on 04-06-2015 16:24:45; mike_c: fking ancient manhattan building too.. wouldn't be surprised if the power is dirty
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2014 05:06:35; asciilifeform: outfit called 'SOLA.' still exists.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36400 @ 0.00034297 = 12.4841 BTC [-]
trinque: DanyAlos: guy compares bitcoin to something difficult to move around; I'm not impressed so far
ascii_field: 'There are also further casualties to the Bitcoin system. Once a
ascii_field: dominant player arises, it cannot possibly operate in a clandestine fashion beyond the knowledge of law enforcement' << 'tungsten melts in your mouth!' - stopped reading, idiocy dosimeter maxed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 186400 @ 0.00034474 = 64.2595 BTC [+] {3}
trinque: there's that, mining will become a monopoly because reasons, so on
ascii_field: gotta love the usg shill 'independent think tank' academitards
DanyAlos: His main point is that mining is going to monopolize sooner o later.
trinque: DanyAlos: maybe you can fish his argument out of the pages of explaining what bitcoin is?
trinque: if it's simply "because economies of scale" come on
trinque: I guess it starts on 364
trinque: wherein "However, if it makes sense for any two miners to form a pool, it
trinque: also makes sense for any group of miners to form a pool. Thus, the
trinque: original competition between individual miners in the Bitcoin system
trinque: consolidates into competition between ever growing mining pools:
trinque: perfect competition gives way to oligopoly"
trinque: existence of mining pools == oligopoly (whatever that means)
trinque: is a bare assertion that doesn't follow from anything previously stated
ascii_field: for overseas folks: cato et al play the same role in usg as zhirinovsky played in ru in '90s
ascii_field: or the soi-dissant 'far right' political parties in uk, fr
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68700 @ 0.00033998 = 23.3566 BTC [-] {2}
trinque: yep
DanyAlos: It is clear that now competition occur betwen pools, and not individuals.
DanyAlos: That doesnt mean pools are going to merge in any way.
trinque: !up DanyAlos
DanyAlos: @trinque Thanx
trinque: DanyAlos: right, that companies compete in markets and not usually individuals is not shocking
DanyAlos: Thats why I dont get his point.
ascii_field: there wasn't one
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trinque: ascii_field: seems like a lot of germans
ascii_field: mostly from 'magic list'
DanyAlos: magic list ?
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: More factored RSA keys, and assorted other considerations on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AMOcHb )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53278 @ 0.00034585 = 18.4262 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142888 @ 0.00034443 = 49.2149 BTC [-] {2}
danielpbarron: that "moldbug" guy got kicked out of some tech conference
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: danielpbarron: l0l wat ?
ascii_field: where?
danielpbarron: not kicked out, but uninvited as a speaker
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 188400 @ 0.00034586 = 65.16 BTC [+] {2}
ascii_field: the 'futures market' thing?
ascii_field: that was ages ago
danielpbarron: >> Glad to see Moldbug now gone from the @strangeloop_stl speaker list. I'm sure he wouldn't have been there at all if they'd known about him.
ascii_field: ah this is new
ascii_field: funny how mr mold is being groomed to become a junior assistant zhirinovsky
ascii_field: (the actual american zhirinovsky is not unambiguously one man, but could be peter thiel, ron/rand paul, a number of other folks)
ascii_field: 'loyal opposition'
trinque: "I don't agree with Mr Paul but I admire his candor!"
trinque: gotta love that zerohedge hyperbole
trinque: awesome, but a few parking lots shy of a revolution
shinohai: @ danielpbarron nearly synced fully and the new address imports work good.
trinque: also that paragraph at the end is representative of the new communism. "govts print money therefore y u no free money?" as per recent thread
danielpbarron: shinohai, what's that regarding? 0.5.3.x ?
danielpbarron: i'm not sure it's supposed to be used as a wallet
shinohai: Yes. Last night I spoke with mod6 we did it for lolz
shinohai: I personally want to see wallet binary divorced from the server.
ascii_field: address imports ?
ascii_field: 0.5.3 didn't have dumpprivkey
ascii_field: (which, imho, makes it virtually unusable as a wallet)
shinohai: did it with pywallet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00034589 = 6.8486 BTC [+]
shinohai: 1nu11ampgw1GKrZSgn2q3JS8kZE88n6d5 is my official mircea_popescu cult wallet addy
shinohai: which works on 0.5.3.x
trinque: shinohai: seems like you have your concept of cult finances backwards :p
shinohai: I am gonna build xt with a 1rtbc address and see which breaks first.
shinohai: know thy enemy and all.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: null those exif-s.
trinque: loose tweets stain sheets?
ascii_field: '“The guys that were working down out of Hurlburt, they’re combing through social media and they see some moron standing at this command. And in some social media, open forum, bragging about the command and control capabilities for Daesh, ISIL. And these guys go: ‘We got an in.’ So they do some work, long story short, about 22 hours later through that very building, three [Joint Direct Attack Munitions] ta
ascii_field: ke that entire building out.'
trinque: lol
assbot: Former Mt. Gox CEO: Current Bitcoin exchanges are a 'disaster waiting to happen' | Fusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1dPUZFQ )
davout: on of the redditards has it, the guy should really write for the onion
davout: *one
fluffypony: lol davout
fluffypony: "former serial murderer serving life in prison says other serial murderers are 'going to be in prison' eventually"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00033797 = 1.7236 BTC [-]
trinque: "At least in the traditional world of finance, these different institutions are separated." << if only there were screening programs which flagged potential serial killers in childhood, we'd never have another
trinque: this guy cut some kind of deal.
shinohai: I just want to smack him one time. Just once.
shinohai: He is like a fat Mark Zuckerberg
trinque: chain him up somewhere and let people take a swing at him for 0.1BTC, repay accounts out of the proceeds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39114 @ 0.00033797 = 13.2194 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00034589 = 3.5973 BTC [+]
shinohai: Nice danielpbarron I regret I am not into games much :/
mod6: sweet, aws bill for last month was only $10.00 more. *whew*
trinque: mod6: you can set alerts at various levels of expenditure in cloudwatch
trinque: helps me keep a handle on it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111237 @ 0.00033547 = 37.3167 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: davout: you heard Fat Zuckerberg! Paymium is a disaster waiting to happen!
mod6: trinque: ah, aight, thanks.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66400 @ 0.00034459 = 22.8808 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92850 @ 0.00034685 = 32.205 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48000 @ 0.0003477 = 16.6896 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70700 @ 0.00034827 = 24.6227 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1000 @ 0.20538785 = 205.3879 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: o look at that, 14 deeds in one go
mircea_popescu: a deedbot record
trinque pats the hood
mircea_popescu: !up referredbyloper
mircea_popescu: trinque nice work eh :D
trinque: it's getting there; got some changes I'll be making this weekend
trinque: this docker thing is a piece of siht
trinque: equal parts security theater, wrong problem, and "deny the underlying system exists"
trinque: I tend to try one new thing per project; that one's headed for the ash heap
assbot: Logged on 04-06-2015 17:54:20; DanyAlos: Any opinion about this? http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/serials/files/cato-journal/2015/5/cj-v35n2-12.pdf
mircea_popescu: trinque i never formed an actual opinion on the grounds that it looked too gimmicky and widely adopted in the astroturf manner for my taste.
mircea_popescu has a lengthy bin of "must have" stuff he successfully waited out.
trinque: yep, sounds like your taster is tuned
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62600 @ 0.00034848 = 21.8148 BTC [+] {3}
thestringpuller: trinque: you and ben_vulpes would have some interesting conversations about docker
thestringpuller: it's supposed to remove the sysadmin from the equation if you don't have money to pay for nice ones.
trinque: thestringpuller: he's actually a local buddy of mine; we've chewed on that one a couple times
trinque: I see what it tries to be, and people can get some benefit out of it
trinque: but it's actually several features of a sane *operating-system, not some bolt-on to linux
trinque: managing configuration state, so on
thestringpuller: well that and the images are truly portable if the host is sane.
trinque backs away slowly before he starts talking about using relational modeling for CM
thestringpuller: so configuration is non-existent
trinque: yeah, I can see that
thestringpuller: this is good and bad, but moreover what your purpose is.
thestringpuller: the security theatre part is a nuclear bomb waiting to go off.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2015#1154114 <<< "o look, we can both misrepresent the intel source and prop our propaganda machine. now people will think social media is important!11"
trinque: amounts to building a pillow fort in your living room
trinque: thestringpuller: ^
assbot: Logged on 04-06-2015 19:45:13; fluffypony: "former serial murderer serving life in prison says other serial murderers are 'going to be in prison' eventually"
thestringpuller: trinque: yea which, in my eyes, illuminates the underlying problem that is not solved: consistent configuration from one environment to the next.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dude who the fuck is that gbanga fellow. responding to himself nao...
thestringpuller: docker does this in a way similar to floppy drive press enter to boot kinda deal
trinque: thestringpuller: needs something with a declared schema, referential integrity, other fancy things from rdbms land
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I have absolutely no idea
trinque: thestringpuller: "show me all the config items which make reference to a hostname"
thestringpuller: ah. well even on a lower level, like for instance going from a local Apache instance (running on iface 127.0.0.1) then running it on prod.
thestringpuller: As you've just said.
trinque: yep, nobody has any fucking idea what the structure of /etc is
mircea_popescu: 20302310412919 / 4294967297 = 4727
trinque: you just munge things out with sed/awk/grep and call it good
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it's in magic98 yes
trinque: course it runs into every problem anyone ever made a terrible XML thing for
thestringpuller: trinque: yup. Puppet did an "okay" job of managing the config scheme among multiple machines in a single environment.
thestringpuller: But alas doesn't really solve the underlying problem imo.
trinque: I have a vague inkling that CLOS can be used for things I use RDBMS for, but I am not there yet
mircea_popescu: ascii_field but 4727 = 29 * 163 which are primes
mircea_popescu: kidna highest "natural" prime yet huh.
mircea_popescu: 10100011
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: essentially the results of random integer n
mircea_popescu: i guess so.
ascii_field: (once you mutilate n, all bets are off)
mircea_popescu: of course... one never knows if something really is random
ascii_field: 'random' in the strict sense of -not- being a product of carefully selected long primes p and q passing various tests
mircea_popescu: trinque imagine my surprise when i discovered that gimp actually uses scheme as a scripting language.
ascii_field: -could- turn out to be one anyway if the gods were to smile
thestringpuller: trinque: CLOS is above my understanding. I'm more of practical computing
ascii_field: but sooner operator will be struck by lightning 10e10 times
trinque: mircea_popescu: may have been the first time I encountered a lispy thing in the wild
mircea_popescu: ah you saw it too ?
trinque: think so, long ago; I don't do much graphics stuff
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it has 'guile' baked in, yes
trinque: I was adding sweet flames to text or something
ascii_field: phun phact: it is the official gnu extension language, for what it's worth
thestringpuller: and yet no one uses GIMP in real life unless they are poor and/or hate Adobe.
ascii_field uses it
ascii_field: the hell i'm gonna spin up a winblows box just to edit a graphic
thestringpuller: I was talking about media in the wild vs. personal usage.
thestringpuller: i.e. never seen "GIMP" listed in the credits of a movie.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller im pretty sure everyone half competent uses gimp.
ascii_field: 'arts types' famously pray on photoshit
mircea_popescu: i've yet to encounter a competent "arts types".
ascii_field: (among things missing from 'gimp' is, at least last i saw, support for pressure-sensitive input gizmos like 'wacom')
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42250 @ 0.00034869 = 14.7322 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: and i get it, most hipsters with ephebe beards and starbucks paper cups use macs.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: that's because logical competency and art don't go together. better trying to mix oil and water.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, competent coders are not on that thing
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i meant art competency.
mircea_popescu: as opposed to competency at pretending like one's involved in art.
mircea_popescu: dali's on gimp.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the closest approximation to a usable laptop is (or was) sold by apple
ascii_field: just ask ben_vulpes
mircea_popescu: laptops are for chicks too worn out to fit normal dildoes anymore.
trinque: lol
trinque: this is certainly the last I'll purchase
ascii_field got tired of the gymnastics of maintaining an apple box to be somewhat usably posixy/x11y - and is now on an 'unusable' laptop
trinque: and I'd be happy to replace it with something that was basically a terminal emulator with a nic
trinque: ascii_field: wasted way too much time getting a gentoo tuned on a mac
ascii_field: trinque: total, utter waste of time
ascii_field: whole fucking point is that os is shipped by same folks who made the iron
ascii_field: and there are no 'small' but intolerable driver imperfections
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: the starbucks hipster is usually the unemployable art school student. the employable ones don't complain about tools since they just fill out PO's until they find one they like.
ascii_field: like suspend mode where battery continues to drain, etc
trinque: ascii_field: yeah ask me how my wifi behaved
trinque: wait. don't bother
trinque: was a retina mac, and I dropped it and smashed the shit out of the screen
ascii_field: thestringpuller: 'fill out PO's until they find one they like' in my case resulted in a mountain of garbage
ascii_field: and no closer to 'like
ascii_field: trinque: retina mac, and I dropped it and smashed the shit out of the screen << colleague of mine had one which cracked, in front of my eyes, by itself
ascii_field: he tried to return it, 2 wks old, apple told him to piss off
trinque: yeah, their strategy seems to be make something fragile, call it a tool, laugh arse off when the customer realizes it's not
trinque: meanwhile I dropped my old black macbook down stairs twice, did fine
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00034177 = 6.2202 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: trinque: you were that kid who managed to break a gameboy weren't you?
thestringpuller: ascii_field: wait you're a professional artist?
trinque: nah my gameboy did alright, but I've shattered a few game controllers
ascii_field: thestringpuller: nope
ascii_field: thestringpuller: why did you suppose i could be one ?
trinque: thestringpuller: my dell inspiron waffle iron was on purpose, fell a couple stories
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122644 @ 0.00033816 = 41.4733 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: ascii_field: maybe it's a well kept secret. asciilifeform master artist, with some pseudonym none of us know.
ascii_field: [obligatory woodcollector ref]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.2055 = 1.0275 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116750 @ 0.00034871 = 40.7119 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00034871 = 7.846 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78121 @ 0.00033421 = 26.1088 BTC [-] {2}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110350 @ 0.00034046 = 37.5698 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: Update: bitcoin-v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { Orphanage Thermonuke } + { TX Orphanage Amputation } fully snyc'd: 359443
BingoBoingo: That seemed fast
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44550 @ 0.00034877 = 15.5377 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: BingoBoingo: eh, i think it was about the same, just a minute about to create charts and push to web.
BingoBoingo used to sync being an ~1 month affair
assbot: Logged on 04-06-2015 23:30:17; mod6: Update: bitcoin-v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { Orphanage Thermonuke } + { TX Orphanage Amputation } fully snyc'd: 359443
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron 15:26:55 <@Samsai> oh, that game << holy shit, everyone knows ?!
mircea_popescu: oh i just derps derping, kay.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34749 @ 0.00034038 = 11.8279 BTC [-]
assbot: Index of /test/perf/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Plus-OrphanageThermonuke-And-TXOrphanageAmputation/20150604 ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYMJbN )
mircea_popescu: impressive dude. i think the current foundation bitcoin is actually better than mine o.O
mod6: wow! yeah, this one didn't hit the OOM-Kill either, ran good the whole time without problems.
mod6: yup exactly.
trinque: very nice!
mod6: memory usage graph looks very similar to the previous run with the OrphanageThermonuke graph. That's expected, but just sayin'. Lookin good.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105767 @ 0.00034022 = 35.984 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: JL: ‘Life Under Tannika Crow?’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYNcdR )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36550 @ 0.00034911 = 12.76 BTC [+]
assbot: JL: Narco Night Train ... ( http://bit.ly/1dQFoG0 )
ben_vulpes: kakow, mod6
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 00:11:22; mircea_popescu: impressive dude. i think the current foundation bitcoin is actually better than mine o.O
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ^ better how?
mircea_popescu: moar reliable, for one o.O
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and must nitpick, but it isn't the current therealbitcoin yet. not until patches are ratified.
mircea_popescu: i do not think i have seen a full sync with 0 pagefaults yuet
asciilifeform: 'page faults / second'
asciilifeform: who runs -what- that generates multiple page faults / hour, much less second ?
mod6: yeah, previous test with only OrphanageThermonuke did have at least one spot where a "major pagefault" was detected: http://thebitcoin.foundation/test/perf/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Plus-OrphanageThermonuke/20150512/Page_Faults.png
asciilifeform: mod6: do we know in what process ?
asciilifeform: if it was bitcoind, i want the crash dump
asciilifeform: and that'd be pretty major
mod6: no, it's system level. all I can tell you is all that is running as far as 3rd party things are: bitcoind & nmon, otherwise i've had `vmstat 1` going.
asciilifeform: gotta pick on just bitcoind
mod6: i'll continue to do more testing. we'll hopefully get something out of it.
asciilifeform: still neat pics
mod6: asciilifeform: yeah, i agree. it's not great, but it's something.
mod6: im gonna try some profiles this month.
asciilifeform: mod6: see if you can pluck the total # out of igprof
asciilifeform: i posted instructions for having it crap those out, i think
mod6: yup, will get to it... hopefully :] lot of things to work though this month.
asciilifeform: in other news...
assbot: Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYOgOS )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89850 @ 0.00034924 = 31.3792 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: and must nitpick, but it isn't the current therealbitcoin yet. not until patches are ratified. << we'll get there. I'd like to have a discussion at some point about the possible negitive effects of at least the TX Orphanage Amputation patch.
mod6: But so far, I feel good that these two patches fully sync'd and with some reasonable results.
asciilifeform: mod6: if you have an essay-length treatise on this, might be better to drop it in the mailing list
asciilifeform: otherwise here works
BingoBoingo: Damn, a double phuct'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that was, i think, another 'magic list' item
mod6: yeah, i think just in here, we can discuss. be better for me to spend a bit of time thinking about it for a day or two.. sometime this week maybe.
mod6: ben_vulpes: should read up on this too ^^
asciilifeform: mod6: notably, bitcoind 0.5.3 stock actually had the orphan tx cache limit
asciilifeform: but i nuked the cache entirely in the interest of reducing fragging
asciilifeform: what i did not have time to do is to measure whether this had the intended effect.
asciilifeform: the other effect of nuking the tx orphanage is zapping the obvious ddos vector of folks crapping deliberately spurious tx into a node
asciilifeform: in general i favour the principle of 'if it cannot be verified RIGHT NOW, it is garbage'
asciilifeform: the very notion of storing things which 'might be verifiable later' runs against the overall flavour of a mechanism designed to face a -maximally- hostile universe
mod6: sure. i was kinda wondering about the converse side where there is an orphaned TX, and then what? guy just resends?
asciilifeform: where every other node is a gavinous abomination
asciilifeform: mod6: he rebroadcasts until finds a node that can accept it without 'jam tomorrow'
BingoBoingo: Last I checked Hearn still breathes so universe is still maximally hostile.
mod6: hah
asciilifeform: consider the actual scenario whereby a tx is 'orphan'
asciilifeform: i.e. what causes it to fall into that category ?
mod6: asciilifeform: ok. i'll have to think on that a bit more. i wanna be sure of what these changes imply. anyway, a guy can always patch his own if he wishes in the mean time.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 30064771079/4294967297 =... 7. so now we also have 7.
mircea_popescu: i am persuaded pretty much every prime up to 1k or so is present in the whole set.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is a statistical certainty
mod6: <+asciilifeform> i.e. what causes it to fall into that category ? << right, some sort of malformed tx or one that has some weird time in the tx that makes it get rejected or some such thing.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> in general i favour the principle of 'if it cannot be verified RIGHT NOW, it is garbage' << i agree with the wisdom of this, for the reasons stated.
asciilifeform: mod6: it is absolutely essential to understand the mechanics
mod6: more over, is there a "normal" situation that arises where a guy is trying to create a transaction and it becomes an orphan? his system time is off? many things i suppose...
asciilifeform: an 'orphan tx' is simply one which references a tx which is not yet seen
asciilifeform: this can happen if multiple interdependent tx are sent in quick succession
asciilifeform: say, from a robotic 'hot wallet'
mod6: so [A_tx]<-[B_tx] are both sent
mod6: B is recieved before A, so B is 'orphan'
asciilifeform: if no one had an orphan tx cache at all, the robot would be the only one broadcasting B until A is in a block.
asciilifeform: no one would rebroadcast it for him
asciilifeform: because it could be a work of fiction
mod6: ok
asciilifeform: whereas right now there is 'benefit of the doubt', largely harmless because 1) 'everyone' has infinite ram 2) no one is crapping out spurious tx in earnest
mod6: yeah, like i said, i gotta look into it. :]
mircea_popescu: practically, this might put a dent in dice type services, in the sense that it'd slow them down by ~10 minutes
mircea_popescu: not sure this is terribru
asciilifeform: 'CoinJoin' will also die.
BingoBoingo: Kinda why listable Satoshidice worked as it did
asciilifeform: as far as i'm concerned, nuking the tx orphanage cuts away some of the remaining 'promise' crud from the protocol, leaving the cold metal for which i for one love it
asciilifeform: i will not cry for the 'promises'
asciilifeform: also note that you (node) are free to broadcast a tx that refers to a not-yet-in-block tx. just that other people will throw it straight to dev null
mircea_popescu: coinjoin is not even stupid it's so fucking dumb.
mircea_popescu: let's stick to considering things that have a shot at making sense.
asciilifeform: srsly one can't take so much as a shit without some 'coder' building a 'career' on it
asciilifeform: the implications of requiring a tx to refer -only- to tx in blocks in order to be rebroadcastable can be described exhaustively
asciilifeform: we may have already done so - or not
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> srsly one can't take so much as a shit without some 'coder' building a 'career' on it << Coders are like asparagus in this way. They love their easy nitrogen and phosphorous
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'll be running this too.
mircea_popescu: see if anyone can spot a problem with it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if running tests, consider the igprof patch
asciilifeform: it is very very spiffy
mircea_popescu: mp is still not a coder. his magics lie elsewhere.
asciilifeform: needless to say, do not use in battlefield conditions
asciilifeform: (for one thing, it brings in dl)
mircea_popescu: ima think about this while playing go with people who are also thinking about this, how's that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 15 @ 0.20538785 = 3.0808 BTC [-]
asciilifeform reminded that pet is awaiting petting
mircea_popescu: (if anyone's not yet tried this - do. the master form of the twin study jew thing)
BingoBoingo prolly ought to move the La Fonde guy from bi-weekly to daily reading http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2453
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mod6: ok back. yeah, so... I'll dig into this for sure here this month. Hopefully sooner, rather than later. I wanna make sure the whole thing 'fits in head' before we move forward. But so far, looking good.
mod6: Also, i believe that the removal of the dnsseed is going to be on the docket as well. but again, we'll see how it goes.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i don't recall, is that patch written yet ?
mod6: yeah, alf submitted it back in feb i think.
mod6 finds.
trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/04/us-cybersecurity-usa-idUSKBN0OK2IK20150604 << "The last few months have seen a series of massive data breaches that have affected millions of Americans," U.S. Rep. Adam Schiff, the ranking Democrat on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, said in a statement.
assbot: Cyber attack hits 4 million current, former U.S. federal workers| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1QaMoOV )
trinque: bahahahahaha
trinque: ah crap wrong quote
BingoBoingo: "As for your opinion that they have a ‘right’ to safely meet, I disagree. I do not believe in rights. A right is a privilege that is enforced by a violent third party action. Rights are by definition cowardice as social artifice. " http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=1974&pr=0 << Tis like a Traimatic brain injury MP
assbot: JL: ‘Are The Counter-Currents People Cowards?’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1QaMplX )
trinque: But he called the latest intrusion "among the most shocking because Americans may expect that federal computer networks are maintained with state of the art defenses."
mod6: However, this could be tabled until later; when we add in a previously discussed #b-a certified seed discovery mechanism.
BingoBoingo: gossipd seems 18 months to 2 years off at the earliest from public updates in this chan
mircea_popescu: trinque this entire bullshit "defenses" conceptualization. as if you know, it's tower defense, and you gotta upgrade the fire mage tower.
mircea_popescu: idiots already.
trinque: I love it
trinque: BingoBoingo: how hard is it?
trinque: I've thought maybe tinc might be a starting place
trinque: happens to use RSA keys and handle fancy topologies
BingoBoingo: trinque: I'm not the implementer, but last word on the subject was that the implementer was working on developing a master of the moving parts first which is admirable
trinque: cool; he should hang around more
BingoBoingo: trinque: Unless he's doing serious work. I dunno what they do, but hope it is monastic study. I'd hate for gossipd to go through the growing pains of various deed and scoop bots
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 11 @ 0.20538785 = 2.2593 BTC [-]
trinque: it is most certainly something to get right.
BingoBoingo: !up punkman1
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132073 @ 0.00034761 = 45.9099 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00034298 = 5.4534 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 4127 @ 0.00028389 = 1.1716 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00034929 = 8.6275 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !t m s.qntr
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 (4127 shares, 1.17 BTC), 7D: 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 (4127 shares, 1.17 BTC), 30D: 0.00028389 / 0.00032831 / 0.00038 (13249 shares, 4.35 BTC)
BingoBoingo: !t m s.bbet
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00008 / 0.00008 / 0.00008 (300 shares, 0.02 BTC), 30D: 0.00006 / 0.00006491 / 0.0002 (115300 shares, 7.49 BTC)
decimation: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 223.32, Best ask: 223.36, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 223.35, 24 hour volume: 11501.2850445, 24 hour low: 222.64, 24 hour high: 225.77, 24 hour vwap: None
decimation: btc/usd has been remarkably stable
decimation: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2015-06/uovh-mlf052915.php < apparently it has only just been discovered that the lymph system is connected directly to the brain
assbot: Missing link found between brain, immune system -- with major disease implications | EurekAlert! Science News ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQQPr6 )
BingoBoingo: decimation: It truly has for all of 2015 thus far
mircea_popescu: decimation the reporting on that thing is perhaps the best example of how confused "science news" works.
decimation: heh yeah
decimation: they can't just report the facts, gotta make it some sorta drama
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 22 @ 0.20538785 = 4.5185 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: <assbot> Missing link found between brain, immune system -- with major disease implications << I'm not sure this is news
decimation: it would have been useful to have a link to the paper
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo read the piece, it's like kindergartners wrote it. not a single fact in there.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.20538785 = 1.8485 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I've read it and 3 others, some of which bring up what the publication contained. Basically boils down to "OMG When CSF dries up it goes the same place every other fluid does!!! OMG this connection works both ways!!!" The only thing newis is they managed to image this system, because soft tissue imagine is hard
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19633 @ 0.00034128 = 6.7004 BTC [-]
assbot: Denny Hastert is Contemptible, But His Indictment Exemplifies America's Over-Criminalization Pathology - The Intercept ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQRpoK )
decimation: "In the indictment, the DOJ made the decision not to expressly specify the ?past misconduct? Hastert sought to conceal. Nonetheless, federal law enforcement officials apparently spent the day running around leaking to media outlets what the indictment worked hard to insinuate: that ?Hastert paid a man to conceal sexual misconduct while the man was a student at the high school where Hastert taught.? "
BingoBoingo: The extent of the lymphatic system has always been a bit nebulous because it tends to deflate more destructively in the un-alive. Still since most people manage to go through life without hydrocephalus it can be assumed to interact with the CNS.
mircea_popescu: e entered Congress in 1987 with a net worth of no more than $270,000 and then exited worth somewhere between $4 million and $17 million [...] alleged, unspecified “past misconduct” against an unnamed person to whom he agreed to pay $3.5 million to keep concealed.
mircea_popescu: oh help me rwanda. some shithead is willing to pay 90% of his networth to some fucktard whose feelings got hurt ?
mircea_popescu: what is this, idiotlandia ?
decimation: mircea_popescu: read the indictment
decimation: he is facing the court because... he didn't tell usg what he was spending his money on
decimation: that's it
mircea_popescu: yes yes. not getting into any of that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67252 @ 0.00034929 = 23.4905 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: just... fucking usg numbers. they make as much sense as a pancake rabbit with a peanut on its head
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> oh help me rwanda. some shithead is willing to pay 90% of his networth to some fucktard whose feelings got hurt ? << He left office to lobby his networth expanded fast then.
BingoBoingo: But the expansion isn't public because no longer elected
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 136000 @ 0.00034352 = 46.7187 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: Fuck, everything is wrong with the world today and only canada backpack guy has new-fax relevant to BTC
mircea_popescu: i guess...
williamdunne: Some famous shithead here in the UK has been saying how she'll happily pay 70% taxes to keep meh public services open
williamdunne: On a similar note, just got tipped 0.3 BTC on reddit
trinque: damn son, that's an xbox game right there
williamdunne: IKR? Beats 0.05 cents
mircea_popescu: most live nude girls work for less / set.
trinque: BingoBoingo: could always be worse; this guy has to whore out his monkey to eat http://s2.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20150604&t=2&i=1053746280
BingoBoingo: trinque: Let me guess, its last name is Jenner?
williamdunne: She looks better than the monkey, thats cheating MP
trinque: lol
trinque: chick's got a great expression there
trinque: chinese guy was gonna jump I guess, his mother found dead inside
trinque: looks like a great place to live; I can't imagine why
trinque: chick's immaculate; I approve
mircea_popescu: !t m s.qntr
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 (4127 shares, 1.17 BTC), 7D: 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 (4127 shares, 1.17 BTC), 30D: 0.00028389 / 0.00032831 / 0.00038 (13249 shares, 4.35 BTC)
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.00032831 * 239624
gribble: 78.67095544
mircea_popescu: on one hand, internet's best journalism < 100 btc. on the other hand, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-06-2015#1152577
assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 04:39:24; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is the reason you can't buy so much as a square metre in, e.g., patagonia. that is, if you and i can afford it, ted turner can afford 1,000,000+ of it and at 1000x bid
williamdunne: trinque: Tasha Reign I think
mircea_popescu is confused by this contradiction
trinque: williamdunne: nice
mircea_popescu: williamdunne holy shit you knbow em that well ?
williamdunne: I'm a teenage boy, what do you expect?
trinque: heh, I was good friends with a guy in HS that had comparable encyclopedic knowledge of porn stars
williamdunne: But she is particularly memorable
trinque: back when loading up your external hard drive had a point
decimation: mircea_popescu: that patagonia is overvalued?
mircea_popescu: decimation or that old money is doomed, today as much as 2015 bc
pete_dushenski: o man this derpy torontonian made my afternoon :)
pete_dushenski: the only thing more fun than a proper roasting is when the victim squirms on the spit.
pete_dushenski: the net result is that i'm pretty sure i popped my "please to take down mean words" cherry today
assbot: 5 simple rules for blogging, linking to sources, commenting, and generally making sense on the Internet. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQUsgK )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81100 @ 0.00034052 = 27.6162 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104823 @ 0.00034929 = 36.6136 BTC [+]
decimation: pete_dushenski: your jaron lanier post was amusing
pete_dushenski: cheers :D
pete_dushenski: i guess i managed to find a thread to pull on from his nebulous ball of rastayarn.
decimation: heh yeah
pete_dushenski: !s gbanga
assbot: 1 results for 'gbanga' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gbanga
pete_dushenski: ah, i'm not the only one wondering who the fuck he is lol
BingoBoingo: Got a catch phrase so maybe a channer?
pete_dushenski: i had thought it might've been Pierre_Rochard at first, but after today, i gotta rule him out.
pete_dushenski: a channer would've brought up details about an article... in chan.
pete_dushenski: s/article/source
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Not channer as in this chan, channer by the classical definition: an imageboard enthusiast
pete_dushenski: ah well that's certainly possible
pete_dushenski: you may be on to something there, even if that doesn't leave us closer to figuring out who he is.
pete_dushenski: though i suppose you have an e-mail address from the comments ?
williamdunne: So when do people start publicly executing police officers? https://www.youtube.com/watchv=01ZwvYqMRhQ
assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQW75Z )
assbot: #Justicefordillon Officer Involved - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQWbCJ )
williamdunne: Fixed link
williamdunne: Reaching into the pocket his audio cable was coming from was a clear display of threat
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Not a useful one, and it would be poor form to expose it if it was.
pete_dushenski: ya never know, the jesters calling themselves judges just might agree
pete_dushenski: ^williamdunne
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: totally agree.
pete_dushenski: but if you recognised it from the wot, you'd obviously know, is all.
williamdunne: Latest board resolution contains a line similar to the one in a couple of MPEX contracts that goes along the lines of "The company deems this contract valid, regardless of the opinion or declaration of any person, regardless of what title that they may choose to fashion themselves with" lol
williamdunne: "This mandate is without limitation; and is deemed valid by the company regardless of the opinion or
williamdunne: declaration of any third­party, regardless of what title they choose fashion themselves with." There we go
pete_dushenski: williamdunne: what board is this now ?
williamdunne: Exchange
williamdunne: Nothing I'd expect anyone to know about yet :)
pete_dushenski: o right, WDEx !
pete_dushenski: might be confused with winkdex though.
williamdunne: Not quite, MIMEX, but not awfully far off it
decimation: where is the winklevoss etf by the way
decimation: it's like 2 years late
williamdunne: While I'm going to be putting myself very publicly as the face of the company, I'm not the only one responsible for it
pete_dushenski: decimation: on the diamond train, 2 years might as well be 2 minutes too late
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116950 @ 0.00035012 = 40.9465 BTC [+] {3}
decimation: yeah exactly
assbot: FBI official: Companies should help us ‘prevent encryption above all else’ - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1KIdIgE )
williamdunne: wasn't it suspected that the SEC (or was it CFTC, or was it both? God knows) wasn't too amused with the fact that all of the exchanges are not regulated and based in God's favourite country?
decimation: yeah well that was always suspected
decimation: but nobody has come forward with facts as far as I know
pete_dushenski: decimation: i can imagine employers shaking their 'devil hand' symbols at employees using unapproved encryption
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154505 << trivial. same reason usg isn't burying any of us alive in freshly-printed benjies
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 02:03:53; *: mircea_popescu is confused by this contradiction
asciilifeform: or for that matter gasenwagen
pete_dushenski wonders where duckduckgo finds these photos.
asciilifeform: they're still following the 'close your eyes and the room will go dark' algo.
decimation: pete_dushenski: heh
pete_dushenski: williamdunne: careful with that "it's not just my fault" approach. look where it got fatso. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151445
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 17:22:10; mircea_popescu: magicaltux, and you're comment as ot whether "he's to blame entirely"
decimation: asciilifeform: one thing I was thinking the other day - now many women are in the workforce instead of at home - but because the number of dollars is not constant, all that has resulted is that both parents are on the treadmill
decimation: instead of only one
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: it's a contagious condition, this eyes closing = tikkun olam shtick
williamdunne: pete_dushenski: Not yet convinced, while he is responsible I do think there must have been a malicious third party involved which I suspect to be the USG
asciilifeform: decimation: this realization is at least a century old
decimation: 100 years ago people who owned a house could also afford at least one or two servants to help with childcare/home
pete_dushenski: williamdunne: that's not really the point here. the point is that he's the one of the hook. fatso's von flondor.
williamdunne: Oh for sure, not questioning that at all
williamdunne: One of the main things I've been focusing on is getting as many degrees of separation as reasonably possible from USG
assbot: How US students get a university degree for free in Germany - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQY9TG )
pete_dushenski: ok then. so... be mindful of who you're associating yourself with, is all. and what you're the face of, regardless of its apparent usg-icity to you.
pete_dushenski: ^williamdunne again !
pete_dushenski: 1. it might not be readily apparent what is and is not 'usg' from your vantage point.
pete_dushenski: 2. that's not the only landmine in the world.
williamdunne: pete_dushenski: Indeed. Outside of fiat which is impossible to keep sole control of, I am responsible for funds. If something were to go wrong it would be my head on the pike.
williamdunne: But yeah
pete_dushenski: is ver 'usg' or just a fucking retard ? doesn't really matter, does it.
williamdunne: Plenty of risks involved
pete_dushenski: so one person does funds, one person does other things ? you might excuse me for being suddenly reminded of magicaltux's recent 'decentralise the exchanges' essay
williamdunne: No no no
pete_dushenski: not that i'm suggesting 'key escrow'
williamdunne: fiat I can't control because I'm not both the bank and the central bank
williamdunne: But I am the account signatory
asciilifeform: williamdunne: the usg connection of karpeles is as clear as daylight, considering how he is investigationally untouchable (both in the sr trials and in the greatest btc-related monetary black hole known to date)
asciilifeform: !up KRS1
KRS1: thanks
KRS1: Can you spare just 1 BTC? Ranji is a 9yr old boy living in Namibia. He has only 1 leg, 1 arm and 1 eye. Each day he has to ride 7 miles to school along a narrow road on a rusty bike with bent wheels, no brakes and only 1 pedal.
pete_dushenski: KRS1: address ?
KRS1: If you send me just 1 BTC I will send you the video. Its fuckin' hilarious!
pete_dushenski: aw... he left.
decimation: meowmix?
williamdunne: 1 BTC will hire the local village drunk to bludgeon him with a stone, to put the poor child out of his misery
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154566 << the whole 'clipper chip affair reloaded!' thing is half of a classical 'good cop/bad cop' act
danielpbarron: i recognize that name, possibly from otc
asciilifeform: decimation: chumpers are to think, presumably, that if 'big bad fbi' 'hates crypto' therefore 'buy redphone!'
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, but I don't think it's an act
decimation: I suspect there are people in usg who hold his views exactly
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: he's been here before. i assumed he was kidding !
asciilifeform: decimation: the actors in the act are the best kind, from the standpoint of the muppetmasters - they don't know they are actors, likely
danielpbarron: williamdunne, you got my latertell ok?
trinque: I'd watch that video, got 0.001 BTC on it
williamdunne: danielpbarron: Did thanks, think you got one in return
pete_dushenski: williamdunne: i dunno who's rougher now, you or that cop ;)
williamdunne: danielpbarron: Not sure why she couldn't have just come on here D:
williamdunne: pete_dushenski: THE COP WAS JUSTIFIED, DO YOU WANT THE TERRORISTS TO WIN
williamdunne: yeah, thats what I thought
danielpbarron: ah, stupid gribble doesn't send it till i send him a command
asciilifeform: decimation: i still had a scrap of doubt about zimmerman's betrayal all the way until i got into a d.c. metro car plastered, literally floor to ceiling, with 'redphone' ads.
williamdunne: danielpbarron: Deaf and dumb robots
asciilifeform: the notion that this would be permitted were he not a usg asset, or that his little shop of horrors could afford the fee, is sheer lunacy
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: could be worse, could be lanier pumping the windoze phoenz
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: who the hell cares what a transparent shill does
pete_dushenski: williamdunne: did i say he wasn't ?
williamdunne: pete_dushenski: heavily implied ;)
asciilifeform: (for non-mordor folks, i will add that the entire train, and in fact all the trains i was in that day, had the same ads)
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: people who buy redphone, i suppose.
pete_dushenski: williamdunne: naturally
assbot: The purpose of absurdity | Bloody shovel ... ( http://bit.ly/1KIfr5A )
decimation: Zhao Gao knew how to play the actors
asciilifeform: decimation: the concept described in the linked piece is known as 'shit test' to the pua enthusiasts
decimation: yeah more-or-less
decimation: but the important element is that one must 'make believe' in the appropriate way
decimation: In the West of course we have Hans Christen Andersen?s tale about the kid and the emperor?s new clothes. The funny part is it?s fiction. And the story is just about a child, who having a pure heart, dares to say the truth against the powerful.
mats: fun fact: 'zhao gao' also translates to 'terrible'
decimation: The moral is that we should be ashamed of ourselves and aspire to be as virtuous as this child. But of course in reality this child would have been arrested and executed, alongside his parents. Which is obviously why nobody tells the king about his new clothes. They?re not stupid.
williamdunne is off for the night
asciilifeform: the yudkowskyans call it 'evaporative cooling' (to describe why doomsday cults on day n+1 after planned 'doomsday' not only do not fall apart, but get more 'culty')
asciilifeform: named for physical effect where fastest molecules phase off into vapour and whole thing has lower energy as per boltzmann
decimation: asciilifeform: but there's an interesting parallel to usg: they 'won' the cold war, yet failed to unemploy the 'national security' complex
asciilifeform: (for those who slept through school)
decimation: now they want to bring of the end of days by destroying terrorism
asciilifeform: the 'eternal war' thing is summarized by herr orwell
decimation: but the deeply weird thing is that nobody questions - 'oh those people who were working on red commies are now working on terrorism'
decimation: that's a great set of clothes. the deer is a fine horse, etc
trinque: "freedom from terrorism" is a particularly insidious concept
trinque: that jumped out at me right away
trinque: I expect to hear that phrase again
asciilifeform: trinque: it arguably descends from u.s. hitler (fdr) 's phrase 'freedom from fear'
trinque: didn't our thing eat all his useful folks?
trinque: sounds about right
decimation: Spandrell made another good point in his next post: "Say a woman that gets a job before of a female quota, but is chosen specifically because she isn?t a loud feminist and does not abuse her legal privilege. Will she ever abandon feminism? Most likely not. After all she owes her job to feminism, even if she had to take a second sanity test. But she has nothing to win, and quite a lot to lose from abolishing female quotas."
decimation: ^ how usg employment works
asciilifeform: phun phakt for non-u.s. folks: usg contractors who are registered as 'woman-owned' get preferential contract status. the practical consequence of this is that a great many operators of such firms have them registered in wife's name
asciilifeform: (makes for interesting divorce proceedings, one might imagine)
pete_dushenski: or tighter pre-nups
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: pre-nups, as a general rule, don't work in usa
pete_dushenski: for real ?
asciilifeform: (more accurately, they work in the same manner as patents. which is to say, if you have infinite money and are willing to spend most of it on lawyers, it can be made to 'work' in a way.)
decimation: asciilifeform: also there's supposedly a super-category for minorities/handicapped/veterans
trinque: and if you have kids involved, forget it
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i guess i figured that since usa is where they're mostly use, that pre-nups work there. upon reflection, this is a nonsensical conclusion !
asciilifeform: decimation: the golden quadrifecta is female minority crippled in iraq
trinque: the court can rule in "the best interest of the child"
asciilifeform: trinque: even in the absence of children, imagine that, l0l
trinque: well she might later, and he owes her!
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: again, they 'work' like patents 'work'
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, it's a real thing too I hear. if one of these 8(a) qualified companies enter bidding, they automatically win
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: mhm. so it would seem
asciilifeform: which is to say, every idiot who wastes time and money on it imagines that it will work in his case, because celebrity xxxxx
asciilifeform: 'patents are great, look at edison'
decimation: everything usg does is partially mixed with its 'civil relgion'
asciilifeform: how could it be otherwise.
decimation: greenspun has a continual rant on the divorce racket
trinque cannot think of a single reason he would marry
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117450 @ 0.00034004 = 39.9377 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 02:48:58; williamdunne: Latest board resolution contains a line similar to the one in a couple of MPEX contracts that goes along the lines of "The company deems this contract valid, regardless of the opinion or declaration of any person, regardless of what title that they may choose to fashion themselves with" lol
decimation: it's a good way to raise children, but lord help you if you marry the wrong woman
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32722 @ 0.00033939 = 11.1055 BTC [-] {2}
trinque: decimation: I don't mind the thought of raising kids at all; still don't think I'd marry
asciilifeform: decimation: it is interesting to consider the implications of mass 'awakening' to btc as an anti-divorcetheft instrument
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 02:53:01; williamdunne: While I'm going to be putting myself very publicly as the face of the company, I'm not the only one responsible for it
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 03:28:58; decimation: it's a good way to raise children, but lord help you if you marry the wrong woman
trinque: asciilifeform: not a bad point there
asciilifeform: decimation: the likely next step for usg is probably 'naggum-style' taxation on 'what you probably earned and hid'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or anti-fiat-theft generally
asciilifeform: sorta like the silk road sentence
mircea_popescu: taxation ; redistribution ; alimony ; you name it-y
trinque: having too much btc will have a word like "structuring" pretty soon
trinque: utterly devoid of meaning aside from "and for this we will fuck you dry"
asciilifeform: 'so, mr schmuck, you ran a widget factory, brought in p/yr. ex-mrs schmuck is now entitled to y*(p-r) where r was your rent'
decimation: mircea_popescu: I don't get your point re: <--->
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not that far off, it is after all the argument they brought before australian courts against austian dotcom kid. or for that matter in swiss courts against belgian dude.
mircea_popescu: "this person is charged with being more powerful than we like to see."
pete_dushenski: decimation: business is marriage, and vice versa
asciilifeform: for so long as the robbers even bother to construct arguments, they will necessarily take this form
mircea_popescu: decimation that it's the same thing, basially.
decimation: ah I see what you are getting at, need to choose your partners carefully
asciilifeform: sorta like that fable, where the sheep asks the wolf what his 'crime' was, why he deserves to be eaten, and wolf answers 'your crime was that i am hungry and you are fat'
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah but if your wealth is in bitcoin, it's not obvious you are a sheep nor fat
asciilifeform: decimation: thing is, it is still obvious if usd walked in and didn't walk out
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154566 << no. fbi agents should help us prevent usg above all else.
asciilifeform: (of your pocket)
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, usg can still claim usd tax
asciilifeform: just like the ancient observation that if two walk into a cave, and one walks out, someone probably got clobbered
decimation: but they can't send agents to question why you withdrew $10k
asciilifeform: this is, for example, why 'coinbase' will happily sell u.s. folks btc
asciilifeform: decimation: l0l, tell it to that congresscritter
decimation: I mean $10k in btc
asciilifeform: well yes, but they know that $10k walked in in usd
pete_dushenski: then 'withdrew' from where ?
asciilifeform: and never walked out
decimation: yeah this is a point, as long as usd is 'money' they can toy with anyone
asciilifeform: anyone paid in usd, at any rate
decimation: anyone forced to use usd to eat bread
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 03:05:28; pete_dushenski: so one person does funds, one person does other things ? you might excuse me for being suddenly reminded of magicaltux's recent 'decentralise the exchanges' essay
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: upon reflection, alternative is either a) have one person do everything, or b) 'multisig'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154606 << just one more asset ended up with head on pike, now barking at the outskirts.
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 03:06:48; asciilifeform: williamdunne: the usg connection of karpeles is as clear as daylight, considering how he is investigationally untouchable (both in the sr trials and in the greatest btc-related monetary black hole known to date)
decimation: mircea_popescu: those agents investigating dpr apparently 'switched sides'
pete_dushenski: so i guess the bitbet model makes sense.
mircea_popescu is rooting for him, gavin and that radioshow derp getting together and starting a wallet site or something.
asciilifeform: decimation: if the fools had the elementary common sense to share the bakshish up the chain of command, they'd be walking still
pete_dushenski imagines 'decentralised' mit wallet
decimation: asciilifeform: this was sop in su as I understand
asciilifeform: decimation: in all 'orcish' nations
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform honestly i dun think so.
mircea_popescu: it's shocking enough that one dea agent defected over about 1 year's nominal pay.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: there is a long list of idiocies not yet surfaced. for instance, a usg stooge will eventually propose 'wallets' keyed to passport chips or the like
mircea_popescu: the notion that an entire hierarchy would manage to split it into bits... heh.
mircea_popescu: i dun see it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the quantities are not co-measurable
decimation: usg has promised all of them a comforatable retirement if they play ball
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: half a mil in usd is not 'i-can-give-it-to-isis-money'
asciilifeform: btc - is.
trinque: it remains to be seen what charges these guys end up with
asciilifeform: usd is considerably closer to being paid in month-old sausages than to money
asciilifeform: yes, it's valuable, in a sense
asciilifeform: and you can live on it
trinque: and I wonder how many got away with it
asciilifeform: but where is it 10 yrs from now
mircea_popescu: what do you suppose ten-twenty twerps can do with enough money to buy isis a humvee each ?
mircea_popescu: they already donated 2.5k of them or w/e
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i look forward to it. my new passport is a 10-year affair and has some sort of electronics in it. "don't get passport wet, treat like mobile device" it says.
asciilifeform: this is the difference between money and scip
mircea_popescu: anyway, the one important point in all this is - even the people on govt team don't like other people on govt team enough to go partners.
mircea_popescu: think about that. it's like being in a bar where you hate everyone to the point you wouldnt buy them a drink.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck are you there then
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they would have, if they could be sure of 'blink back' when 'blinking eyelashes' up the chain of command
mircea_popescu: aha. exactly.
mircea_popescu: and they'd hit on the hot blonde, if they could be sure of same.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you're there because you were born and raised there and door is welded shut ?
mircea_popescu: as it is tho...
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 03:10:20; williamdunne: danielpbarron: Not sure why she couldn't have just come on here D:
decimation: maybe usg employees think that if the just stick around one more year they can 'change the system' liked they fantasized about when they signed up
decimation: or maybe most of them are unemployable in 'the real world'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to grasp this, it is necessary to look through the porthole glass on the atomic dirigible, down to the planet below - where most folks are so thoroughly wedded to their meal ticket that they do not really perceive themselves as having a choice of what sort of system to be part of, aside from the abstract choice of eating one's pistol
asciilifeform: (the latter is an increasingly common path out of u.s. army - ever wonder why?)
mircea_popescu: most of them are necessarily unemployable in the real world
decimation: asciilifeform: note that this 'marriage' isn't really about a meal as much as a fantasy
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asciilifeform: decimation: it is about 'i do this and i keep eating; i don't - and don't'
decimation: for instance, spacex runs on the same 'fumes'
decimation: people are willing to spend their lives gaining skills only to end up paying elon to work for him
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform doesn't that sound like something to discontinue on general principle ?
asciilifeform: spacex ultimately runs on the apparatus whereby continent full of schmucks is robbed of what little they produce
mircea_popescu: what are they, sharecroppers ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sure!
mircea_popescu: i suppose the one true differential between lords and peons is the answer to the simple question
decimation: people in the midwest have kids, some of them have skills, and they end up in some bureaucracy
mircea_popescu: "is life a good above all else"
mircea_popescu: all yes in this pile. all no in that pile. end of story.
asciilifeform: there is also the realization, shared by the more-intellectually-bent part of usa, that 'if i were to be paid what i am worth, i will starve and be boiled for soap. therefore gotta help carry on the scam'
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah that's surely the majority of usg
asciilifeform: it is virtually everyone
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a very poor excuse for not coming up with better scams.
asciilifeform: i, for instance, have precisely zero desire to be 'paid what i'm worth'
mircea_popescu: note that i am not proposing for civilisation to go away
decimation: how do you outscam the printing press?
mircea_popescu: there's always a way.
asciilifeform: short of perpetuum mobile, which physical reality balks at - printing press is -the- scam.
asciilifeform: sorta the carnot engine of sc4mz0r1ng
decimation: well, generally the 'way' in the us is to be on the benefit side of the printing press
asciilifeform: decimation: pretty much every living thing in nato-dom is alive beneficiary of the printing press.
mircea_popescu: out of the crooked timber of humanity, no THE thing was ever made.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: printing press scam is directly analogous to carnot engine. it is the closest shave one can give the sheep without skinning them
asciilifeform: or at least aims to be
mircea_popescu: consider : roman empire also used the same process.
asciilifeform: hence the astonishingly baroque refinements it is subject to
asciilifeform: romans had not yet calculating machines, and did not have anything quite like modern 'derivatives' etc
asciilifeform: whereas today you can actually make a chump who insists on knowing precisely how he is being chumped be left with an np-complete problem!
mircea_popescu: actually, they did. both.
mircea_popescu: and if zenon's arrow in flight discussion is not exactly the latter...
asciilifeform: that's sorta like saying that they had modern construction equipment. yes, there were cranes powered with man-sized hamster wheels
asciilifeform: but not same
mircea_popescu: i propose to you that for an army of archers, plate armor is much more than our current ceramic plating and woven nylons.
mircea_popescu: similarly, it can perhaps be argued successfully that the romans had better "social sciences" in the weaponized, political sense
asciilifeform: quite similar, in that plate was astonishingly expensive
mircea_popescu: than the us ever did or ever will.
trinque: americans are helplessly narcissistic and cannot collaborate
trinque: that's why they didn't think up a better scam
mircea_popescu: what, unlike the friends, romans, countrymen ?
mircea_popescu: gimme a break.
trinque: perhaps not; I'd expect though that we're incredibly low on the scale
trinque: I don't think the way in which communication happens here would be considered high bandwidth
asciilifeform: what would the hypothetical 'better scam' look like ?
asciilifeform: as it is, half the planet toils so that u.s. schmucks can get tankers full of little orange plastic pumpkins every october to hang on their porch
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154671 << they can only be enforced by women against men, moreover.
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 03:23:52; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: pre-nups, as a general rule, don't work in usa
asciilifeform: better scam would result in what? more pumpkins ?
mircea_popescu: if you have a deal that says she walks without any money or children, it'll be thrown out.
mircea_popescu: if it says the reverse... well duh.
trinque: more bitcoins for Mr Force, I thought
asciilifeform: trinque: we (or at least i) do not know how many bitcoins -presently- for yellen
asciilifeform: or thiel
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno.
asciilifeform: trinque: the basic crime of herr force - aside from the unforgivable 'didn't pass the bakshish up the chain' - is that a commoner has pretense to lordly things
trinque: asciilifeform: here's a better scam; kill the price for a bit by imploding gox
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