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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83711 @ 0.0002939 = 24.6027 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: mats: l0l you oughta have this in yer head
mats: ive been moving between x86 and arm a lot
mats: its disorienting
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30989 @ 0.00029376 = 9.1033 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: http://valaamov-osel.livejournal.com/171595.html << unrelated. catalogue of a soviet 'birch' store (sold products to K00l K1dz for d0ll4rz) circa 1975.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25850 @ 0.00028644 = 7.4045 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35511 @ 0.00028859 = 10.2481 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: !up paxtoncamaro91
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu unrelated to anything, but for the classicz translation olympics: http://dpaste.com/0BP7BQQ << this time, not mine. but obscure, and very l337
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22350 @ 0.00029104 = 6.5047 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: breach
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: ^^
BingoBoingo: Fuck Imma have to start using that word all together
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
Vexual: \who did a wot now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69969 @ 0.00028298 = 19.7998 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo: I said the IRS was back of the cannon'd for all da information
Vexual: !s endeavour
assbot: 33 results for 'endeavour' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=endeavour
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [01:32] rather, it is a u.s. aircraft carrier - which simply happens to be made of earth << girl and i both lold
mats: taiwan is a very nice aircraft carrier
Vexual: quatar does oaky
Vexual: all business all day
Vexual: cunt even allow smoking
Vexual: knobsuckya business
Vexual: *innaya
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22750 @ 0.0002894 = 6.5839 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59818 @ 0.00029292 = 17.5219 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62300 @ 0.00030052 = 18.7224 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 254600 @ 0.00028019 = 71.3364 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: ;;calc 170.0/2.2
gribble: 77.2727272727
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82000 @ 0.00027958 = 22.9256 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93550 @ 0.00031499 = 29.4673 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31350 @ 0.00027957 = 8.7645 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
BingoBoingo: !up check
BingoBoingo: !up mixdio
BingoBoingo: !up DreadKnight
BingoBoingo: !up diana_coman
diana_coman: thanks BingoBoingo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37744 @ 0.00027815 = 10.4985 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic the expectation would be that it'd be divisible by 32bit-shifted 1 + 1, ie 100000000000000000000000000000001 ie 4294967297
mircea_popescu: the most that can be said of a number produced through taking a composite (moduli are composites - of two primes yes, but composite) and applying the 32bit mirroring process is that you'll obtain an odd number. that's it. the probability of a number that large being prime is roughly speaking n/ln(n)
mircea_popescu: which for a 4096 key comes to about 0.03% or 1 in 3k
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146099 << my homeland begins and ends in that place where stupidity goes unrewarded.
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 05:04:30; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu unrelated to anything, but for the classicz translation olympics: http://dpaste.com/0BP7BQQ << this time, not mine. but obscure, and very l337
mircea_popescu: that's it. fuckall i give a shit about whatever any woman hummed in any circumstance and whatever tree or bird or wheeltrack through the mud.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic in retrospect, the discovery that out of the 89 so mirrored factors, any more than 0 are ~actually~ prime would contradict reasonable expectation significantly,
mircea_popescu: or numerically, the confidence that none is prime is something like 97% or thereabouts.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1145911 << omg let people reserve their judgement. would you need new limbs ? what kind ? how big ?
assbot: Logged on 26-05-2015 23:24:50; Adlai: smaller? larger? dynamiker? polymorfic?
mircea_popescu: you'll never be able to go to the moon with just the two pairs you got!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1145932 << the problem with finance isn't "that there exist numbers" but "that there exists unknowns". fixed inflation is not fundamentally different from zero inflation just as long as the inflation is known. which of the two is more convenient (and it's purely a matter of clerical convenience) reduces to a discussion of whether humanity is an ever-expanding cancer or a c
assbot: Logged on 26-05-2015 23:32:32; Adlai: trouble is, there'll come a day when bitcoin inflation is lower than monflation
mircea_popescu: yclical process like adp metabolism.
mircea_popescu: i happen to believe the later's the case, but i would certainly regret to see the alternative viewpoint bereft of an experimentally available venue, because i am by no means certain this is so.
mircea_popescu: for this reason, monero's choice is reasonable whatever anyone involved may personally believe - because bitcoin already exists
mircea_popescu: that said, i'm still waiting for fluffypony to come an' say alright guyse, this is ready to present to b-a. because stuff like https://getmonero.org/knowledge-base/about or https://getmonero.org/design-goals/ ... srsly, colored rectangles ? WOW!11
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8397 @ 0.00028816 = 2.4197 BTC [+]
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: it's an open-source project, so I'm waiting for contributors to fill that stuff in :)
mircea_popescu: makes sense.
mircea_popescu: still, from the other pov... fuckall knows what's in there.
mircea_popescu: now, it's true that the first time around (ie, bitcoin), i spent my own money/time to get it researched. but expecting the same be done the 2nd time around is unreasonable.
mircea_popescu: Other issues with ZKP include the RSA private key used to initiate the accumulator, which must be trusted to be destroyed by the generating party. << for the record, this isn't "other issues". this is enough to render the entire thing a joke.
mircea_popescu: no further issues needed.
mircea_popescu: zero coin seems to me exactly designed as a lizard hitler back-up, "alt-bitcoin" bs.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony in any case, comparisons with dead cows like zerocoin, coinjoin etc aren't interesting. i'd like to hear a comparison with bitbet mixing, which is to my eyes the golden standard in bitcoin anonimizing of chain-visible transactions.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1145933 << ayup. there's really no secret that the clay legged giants of the fiat world are both unable to compete and only great in their own imagination.
assbot: Logged on 26-05-2015 23:32:41; mats: fun fact: nasdaq runs the investor relations portals for most of the fortune 500 companies, on adobe coldfusion
mircea_popescu: much like any two bit bitcoin-wallet / what have you, their time to "be hacked" will come.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1145941 << from the crypts of the lost : "Can you run Monero miner through TOR? If yes, what change would need to made to the bat file on the opening page? I'm using Windows. thanks"
assbot: Logged on 26-05-2015 23:37:37; mats: a surprisingly large number of folks run java EE and .NET application servers
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1145944 << and in this BingoBoingo would be exactly correct.
assbot: Logged on 26-05-2015 23:39:59; *: BingoBoingo imagines what happened was Adobe was giving schools Phree Dreamweaver for classes, and they just ran with it all the way
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1145951 << yes, it should. it can not, and it will not, which essentially renders "the uk governmenty" null and void.
assbot: Logged on 26-05-2015 23:45:41; williamdunne: "The UK government should apply the same regulation and identification requirements to bitcoin wallets as it does to bank accounts, Accenture has advised."
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1145970 << alternatively, you could just go join #adlai. seeing how idem.
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 00:57:54; Adlai: it's only information if you care about it
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1145990 << dude, that was possibly the craziest most riveting day in memory.
mircea_popescu: course dunno how comprehensible it all is by now.
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 01:33:20; decimation: where's our 'snowden' from that world?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140400 @ 0.00028136 = 39.5029 BTC [-]
davout: monero is pretty neat, the only real problem I see is that it'll bloat even faster than bitcoin given the fact that ring signatures are pretty expensive
davout: (size-wise)
mircea_popescu: how expensive ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146036 < division of labour eh ? "you build a city out of vacant lots"
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 01:40:00; decimation: where each part manufacturer will 'application engineer' their peice
davout: mircea_popescu: if i understood correctly it's up to the sender, the idea being that you obfuscate where the money's coming from by signing a group of inputs that you may or may not contrel, only one of them being actually spent
davout: *control
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146039 << i recall this. one of the pillars of my original "lol apple is not worth money" notions.
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 01:45:02; mats: fun fact: the original iPhone shipped without privilege separation, and in tandem with a libtiff bug Chris Wade wrote an exploit that made it possible to root a user visiting a web page
davout: fluffypony: this correct? ^
mircea_popescu: davout see kinda why i'm waiting for him to decide to present it.
davout: you could, again if i understand correctly, decide to only spend a single input and work in a bitcoin-like 'degraded' mode
davout: in this case the sig may actually be smaller
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146043 << that weight being entirely novel, and ulterior to the first iphone.
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 01:46:08; decimation: yeah interestingly apple outta be an exception, given the weight they can throw around
mircea_popescu: davout the problem of bloat is not something that can be individually addressed. in a sense/under a certain perspective this is like saying that 1800s london was incredibly smoky because of all the heating coal usage, but you could also burn clean coal, which was only slightly more expensive.
davout: fluffypony: what was that podcast you made in which you explained how monero works?
mircea_popescu: sure... and whether you do or don't, your clothes will be gray.
davout: so far my actual experience with monero is that the initial sync is horribly slow
davout: i built the daemon five days ago, have it running since then, and it's still 220 days behind apparently
mircea_popescu: out of what, 350 ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146069 << apparently to hear cazalla, not so long. sounds like you could get land in montana for a tenth of what they make him pay.
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 02:39:04; decimation: australia may be a fucked up place but it is long on land
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63100 @ 0.0002883 = 18.1917 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 03:14:10; williamdunne: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CF-d6RBUMAEalVh.jpg:large
cazalla: 95% of australia isn't livable
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146095 << looks exactly like the "democratic" german mag they probably copied/translated.
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 04:19:15; asciilifeform: http://valaamov-osel.livejournal.com/171595.html << unrelated. catalogue of a soviet 'birch' store (sold products to K00l K1dz for d0ll4rz) circa 1975.
mircea_popescu: cazalla no fresh water ?
cazalla: no anything
mircea_popescu: o shit, the tins of soviet caviar.
mircea_popescu still has a salivation reflex.
mircea_popescu: dude if the soviets did something right... caviar's been dead since the 90s.
fluffypony: davout: yes - the sender chooses a mixin, although in ~2 years the minimum mixin goes up to you + 4 others (for each input)
mircea_popescu: those bare metal tins FULL of it to the popping...
mircea_popescu: fluffypony how ?
fluffypony: but we can prune and retain the txoset and the key image set
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: you mean how does the sender choose?
mircea_popescu: no i mean how do you know what happens in 2 years.
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 09:59:24; mircea_popescu: out of what, 350 ?
fluffypony: oh - in the protocol we have a block height that is approx. 2 years from now where the minimum mixin kicks up to 4
fluffypony: it's just privacy improvements, per this: MRL-0004: Improving Obfuscation in the CryptoNote Protocol (https://lab.getmonero.org/pubs/MRL-0004.pdf)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lmao zwarte kat. did i call it or what.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony how does someone else using a 1 instead of a 5 degrade my privacy ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: if you use a 5 and the recipient then sends funds on using a mixin of 1 then there's a risk that the real input can be unmasked, which links it back to the previous transaction
fluffypony bearing in mind that it's on a per-input basis
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23809 @ 0.00029022 = 6.9098 BTC [+]
fluffypony: that's the LTB podcast where I explain a bit about it
mircea_popescu: i'm too far gone to be help-able by video.
fluffypony: it's even worse, it's audio only :-P
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146101 << would you look at that. my wp auto-redirects to new url if i fuck up a title. you two gotta look into that.
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 05:19:44; scoopbot_revived: IRS Confirms Breech Reported 2 Months Ago http://qntra.net/2015/05/irs-confirms-breech-reported-2-months-ago/
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cazalla: fixed the typo in the url
cazalla: bwahah btc.com already closed up shop
cazalla: who ever could've guessed
mircea_popescu: cazalla a cool
mircea_popescu: cazalla poor roger ver really belongs in the gallery of famous tragic characters, with brave, brave, brave sir robert, the tragic clown and his faithful wife nedda etc.
mircea_popescu: here's the story of a simple country boy, one could say a cock-eyed optimist who got himself a number of pleabargained felonies after which the sun seemed to shine, and all his long held frustrations as to relevancy for business, intellectual prowess and whatnot seemed to realise! finally! oh, how this moment had been pined for.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25800 @ 0.00029527 = 7.618 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: but then... horror of horrors! everything he touches turns to shit, and now here he is, stuck trying to hold on to the status long after the water's gone out.
mircea_popescu: thousands of bitcoin donated to a shitty foundation ? gone, as is the foundation.
mircea_popescu: paltry attempts to make it stay relevant about as effectual as spitting in the wind.
cazalla: i figured him as autistic tbh
mircea_popescu: the guy spent more than it was worth (in bitcoin treading for a pittance) to acquire a "valuable" domain, as if a domain name could ever be valuable.
cazalla: in his videos his eyes have that glassed over, empty look
cazalla: but anyway, btc.com and bitcoin.com, 2 diff things just occuring at the same time
mircea_popescu: and now he's stuck in a world where others may entertain his pretense (to "professionalism" or to "business-like" or whatever else), but a) only third worlders, and b) only for as far as they find it net positive.
fluffypony: when they say it "lead to the loss of the domain" what do they mean
fluffypony: GAW owns the domain?
mircea_popescu: so no, okpay isn't gonna pay him "what the contract says". okpay doesn't belong to the space of delusion he belongs to.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony it means the fountain of shit these people create as a byproduct of their metabolism.
mircea_popescu: the domain no longer has an owner, it's a toxic asset now
mircea_popescu: much like the original bitcoin magazine
mircea_popescu: for exactly the same reasons.
cazalla: fluffypony, garza "bought" it last year for 1 million.. to pay off in installments over 36 months.. but garza has no money left apparently.. so he leases it to bitcoinist, pockets the money and the real owner of the domain takes it back as garza late/failed to make payments leaving bitcoinist up shit creek
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55800 @ 0.00029942 = 16.7076 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: cazalla there's at least three parties if not like five with some sort of claim oiver it, all of which cost more to prosecute than the thing would cost to replace.
cazalla: but the bitcoinist guy should've known better seeing he already went through this with garza last year when garza was going to buy bitcoinist and mate tokay wanted green card, 200k, lambo, unit and all that other shit
mircea_popescu: which is why we don't believe for a second that this is a bona fide business dispute.
mircea_popescu: just more smokefronting.
cazalla: kids and their pokemon cards
chetty: appeals court ruled against obama amnesty stuff, sometimes the law kinda works, but I doubt it will stop anything, courts cant enforce and there is history of O thumbing nose at them
mircea_popescu: if ballas were around the one thing i'd ask him would be to write up this particular story. it's something else, "the failures of roger ver's pretense on the jagged shores of reality - 2010 - 2015"
mircea_popescu: chetty which one is this again ?
chetty: O made exec order about giving illegals status and green cards and stuff, Texas sued
cazalla: i thought his amnesty was quite limited to who and time (3 years?)
mircea_popescu: chetty and i presume the people in question already received the green cards right ?
chetty: well I bet some did, coursts issued injunctions but I think the agencies just ignored it
mircea_popescu: and obviously nobody's going to jail for any of this.
mircea_popescu: no "20 years to life for wilfully breaking the law from a position of government".
mircea_popescu: just you know, "Dear Judge Forrest,"
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89954 @ 0.00029901 = 26.8971 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88469 @ 0.00029279 = 25.9028 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up goregrind
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 358240 | Current Difficulty: 4.880748724468138E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 358847 | Next Difficulty In: 607 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 8 hours, 48 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47387880401.5 | Estimated Percent Change: -2.90858
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39900 @ 0.00029682 = 11.8431 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109225 @ 0.00029836 = 32.5884 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: !up referredbyloper
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29419 @ 0.00029791 = 8.7642 BTC [-]
jurov: long overdue
jurov: hope someone does this for gsm baseband soon, too
jurov: ;;rated davout
gribble: You rated user davout on Tue Apr 22 11:42:23 2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: bitcoin-central; met IRL.
asciilifeform: <jurov> hope someone does this for gsm baseband soon, too << these have remote login with default creds ?
asciilifeform: 'Once the router is powered off, it restarts without the worm present.' << lamers
jurov: i wouldn't be surprised at all if baseband has that
jurov: it's done by the same chumps as these routers
asciilifeform: jurov: at this point, it would take a good bit to surprise me.
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 08:53:47; mircea_popescu: that's it. fuckall i give a shit about whatever any woman hummed in any circumstance and whatever tree or bird or wheeltrack through the mud.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146155 << not one of those things is prime, for perfectly valid arithmetical reasons (see Apocalyptic's note about 641 and 6700417. and you can prove it, but i'm leaving it as an exercise for now)
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 09:01:53; mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic in retrospect, the discovery that out of the 89 so mirrored factors, any more than 0 are ~actually~ prime would contradict reasonable expectation significantly,
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146171 << see the old 'promises vs mathematics' thread also.
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 09:23:44; mircea_popescu: Other issues with ZKP include the RSA private key used to initiate the accumulator, which must be trusted to be destroyed by the generating party. << for the record, this isn't "other issues". this is enough to render the entire thing a joke.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146219 << my understanding is that similar establishments, under ru management, existed in the 'colonies' under a variety of names
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 10:03:44; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146095 << looks exactly like the "democratic" german mag they probably copied/translated.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the wares were marketed mainly to diplomatic staff, who were paid in a peculiar kind of scrip rather than ruble (which was Officially non-exportable)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146225 << yeah, same. i nearly imploded upon seeing that.
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 10:05:20; *: mircea_popescu still has a salivation reflex.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146238 << thing is about 50/50 'best of ru' and imported things.
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 10:07:45; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lmao zwarte kat. did i call it or what.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the comments were gold. folks pointing out that if you want to eat these things -today-, you need -significantly- better connections and de-facto 5-10x the money.
asciilifeform: (the trick was, the scrip was available on the black market, in exchange for ordinary - or as they were called, 'wooden' - ruble.)
asciilifeform: in other news,
asciilifeform: gavin & the merry band of shitgnomes used their magic key to transmit 'Warning: This version is obsolete, upgrade required!'
asciilifeform: i have a number of 'conventional' nodes where this warning now appears.
asciilifeform: !up thestringpuller
thestringpuller: https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/hardware/ << apparenlty this is shipping today? 2 months ahead of schedule...
thestringpuller: 6 times more than a pogo tho
asciilifeform: costs like a real computer
jurov: lol my parents were in '87 to moscow/leningrad and naively went shopping to "beriozka" for rubbles ... were told "dolary" and shown the door
asciilifeform: jurov: common experience. vysotsky even had a mega-popular song about it.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: seems like "clustefuck to the hard fork" type deal goin on.
jurov: have you seen gavin complaining research doesn't clearly support it?
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: the trick with pogo, incidentally, is that its price is a rather artificial thing. my understanding is that they were sold 'at cost' and presently sold at liquidation price.
asciilifeform: nothing - and i mean, -nothing- remotely comparable is available for any less than 6x the cost.
asciilifeform: it is -literally- the cheapest device on the planet which runs bitcoin.
jurov: there are n900's with broken gsm module available cheaply, and they have 32GB flash storage
asciilifeform: jurov: ram ?
jurov: 512
asciilifeform: and l0l try running your node over a gsm modem today
asciilifeform: or wat, broken ?!
jurov: 80211n no, wifi still works
asciilifeform: how cheap is 'cheap' ?
jurov: 30eur
asciilifeform: 2-3x the cost of pogo.
asciilifeform: and phone flash is typically dog-slow
jurov: no here it's same as pogo
asciilifeform: not to mention that 32GB is undersized.
asciilifeform: you'd have to throw it out in a year or so.
asciilifeform: (likely sooner)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is no shortage of folks doing this even now.
jurov: also you forget that you have to buy ssd for the pogo
asciilifeform: jurov: true
asciilifeform: jurov: but this applies to any device
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nor is there any hope for naive "social media" pseudo-businesses in the future.
jurov: danielpbarron: how big is .bitcoin on pogo?
mircea_popescu: by which i mean facebook and its spawn, twitter, reddit etc.
asciilifeform: because if something were to ship with the 128GB or whatnot that a sane person would ask for a node - built-in, the device would have a capped lifespan
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the payola from usg continues, life carries on. at no point are actual users required.
asciilifeform: see also orlov's 'dead souls' essay.
mircea_popescu: the idea isn't to make it impossible for the usg to pretend like itexists.
mircea_popescu: the idea is to make it impossible for anyone to use it for any useful purpose.
asciilifeform: jurov: i haven't a synced one. ask danielpbarron
mircea_popescu: otherwise, the "republic of china" can carry on.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can scarcely remember a time when it -was- usable for some useful purpose.
asciilifeform: perhaps '06-07
mircea_popescu: weren't you insisting, a day or two ago, that "these folks can still eat - unaffacted" ?
asciilifeform: because they get fed by usg automagically
mircea_popescu: but then you yourself do notice that no, they can't eat, when you say "folks pointing out that if you want to eat these things -today-, you need -significantly- better connections and de-facto 5-10x the money."
mircea_popescu: arentcha a bundle of contradictions!
asciilifeform: wai wat
mircea_popescu: in any case : the beatings will continue.
mircea_popescu: soon enough usg folk will be able to eat paper and so on.
asciilifeform: link to 'beriozka' is pertinent because at no point did the senior managerial caste lose their access to goodies
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146331 << heh. nature red in tooth and claw. except of course those claws aren't all that impressive for mankind. not anymore at any rate.
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 14:31:51; asciilifeform: gavin & the merry band of shitgnomes used their magic key to transmit 'Warning: This version is obsolete, upgrade required!'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the usg senior caste has.
mircea_popescu: look into what they eat for primo steak.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when i spot obama in my local shitgrocery i will then agree.
mircea_popescu: go eat at the wh sometime.
asciilifeform: when he is picking the less-rotten tomatoes with his own two hands
mircea_popescu: now that you have the experience of actual steak.
asciilifeform: as far as i'm concerned, wh menu may or may not include flesh of virgins
asciilifeform: postmen - will eat paper, yes
mircea_popescu: lmao schmuck is STILL going on with his retarded "no comments allowed" posts about how bitcoin this or that ?
asciilifeform: i've been informed that some already are
mircea_popescu: ridoinculous.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so.go.eat.at.wh.sometime
mircea_popescu: not like it's THAT hard.
asciilifeform: l0l i think they actually guard the parties now
asciilifeform: so yes, postmen - will eat paper. but less than 2 yrs ago i was a guest at a house party of a fella who, it turned out, was middle management at nsa. he is not eating paper.
asciilifeform: he eats very, very well.
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> in any case : the beatings will continue.
mircea_popescu: he will eat worse next year.
asciilifeform: he will eat worse once he runs out of my and neighbour's fat.
asciilifeform: and not before.
jurov: if you so insist
asciilifeform: jurov: dogs, then, also have fleas because they insist ?
jurov: "on irc, no one knows i am a dog"
asciilifeform: i like converse 'on the net, though no one might know, i am still a dog'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he has a point. yes, they will try, which is why you (the impersonal you) wants to get out of there.
asciilifeform: and yes, if dog could get ddt - he would
mircea_popescu: would it ?
asciilifeform: certainly, if he knew of it
mircea_popescu: how do you know this ?
asciilifeform: cannot know, obviously
asciilifeform: but only suspect
mircea_popescu: maybe dog knows but believes it somehow is exceptional for him.
mircea_popescu: "when i see birds using ddt i'll believe it" or somesuch
asciilifeform: something almost aesopian about this
asciilifeform: in other news, pump is running: http://nosuchlabs.com/stats
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jurov: btw, i have fully arranged moving my ass deep into western germany... if not for pet's problems would prolly already be there
asciilifeform: jurov: congrats !
asciilifeform: germany is spiffy
mircea_popescu: i will for the record point out that the way alf and apparently everyone else's adopted "pet" to refer to their SO is driving some of the slavegirls up the fucking walls.
asciilifeform: l0l why
mircea_popescu: because apparently tm
asciilifeform: btw a pet is not simply any sex partner, but one that you keep fed, combed, vet visits, ..., etc. and don't send out to work for pay
mircea_popescu: so = significant other
jurov: ;;ud tm
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TM | I'm honoured by TM's presense! I'm glad to be at your service TM! TM is at the battlefield fighting some gauls, brb. (note on the fridge by Caesar to Cleopatra).
mircea_popescu: trademark lol
asciilifeform: when i say 'pet' i mean very specific technical term, 'creature kept around for company that isn't required to produce milk, pull cart, turn millstone'
mircea_popescu: i suspek it's mostly because i use "good pet" as a congratulatory term. as opposed to variations of "you motherfuckin' bitch you!" and so on.
asciilifeform: aha same
asciilifeform bbl, off to the mines
jurov: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32895048 lol fifa brass detained, "But Fifa says it plans to go ahead with an election for president as planned."
jurov: honey badgers of soccer
jurov: of power rangers of ~ ?
jurov: *or
mircea_popescu: amusingly, romania had a similar thing going coupla years ago, sent half the coaches/club heads/trainers etc in the country behind bars
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mats: " Obama noted that the controversial bulk phone collections program, which was exposed by National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden, is reformed in the House bill, which does away with it over six months and instead gives phone companies the responsibility of maintaining phone records that the government can search."
assbot: Logged on 24-05-2015 15:09:42; mircea_popescu: mats eh, this is just a dog and pony show for young rand etc. what'll happen is the wh backe,d house vetted solution where the nsa doesn't keep the records, phone companies do, nsa just asks for what it needs.
jurov: https://lwn.net/Articles/639427/ wow what a shitgnomery. concerned only narrowly with performance,throwing the opportunity to encrypt file metadata out of the window
davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146426 <<< come to france sometime, eat some real food
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 15:01:32; jurov: btw, i have fully arranged moving my ass deep into western germany... if not for pet's problems would prolly already be there
jurov: lolk
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ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> gavin & the merry band of shitgnomes used their magic key to transmit 'Warning: This version is obsolete, upgrade required!' << 'alerts' can be delivered per-node?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36483 @ 0.00030408 = 11.0938 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> when i say 'pet' i mean very specific technical term, 'creature kept around for company that isn't required to produce milk, pull cart, turn millstone' << opposite of good husbandry, ftr
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danielpbarron: !up ascii_field
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 16:56:58; ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> when i say 'pet' i mean very specific technical term, 'creature kept around for company that isn't required to produce milk, pull cart, turn millstone' << opposite of good husbandry, ftr
ben_vulpes: livestock vs pets
ascii_field: i keep pet. other people, if they like, can keep livestock
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ben_vulpes: !up ascii_field
ben_vulpes: not husbandry in the marital sense, ascii_field
ascii_field: i still don't get it
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mats: so, whats going on here is that the USAF has been trying to kill the A-10 aircraft for some time now, largely on the basis that they don't really give a shit about the Army and don't want to provide support to other programs with money from their own budget
mats: which would be fine except there's no way to replace the capability of the A-10 with something else
ascii_field: good riddance and three cheers to the eventual replacement of all usg aircraft with paper airplanes.
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assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 14:44:35; jurov: danielpbarron: how big is .bitcoin on pogo?
jurov: wow
danielpbarron: solidly in the "you need a 64g thing" territory
danielpbarron: it's about the same size on my non-pogo node; how big is it for the "core" implementation
mod6: my full sync's (non-pogo) with v0.5.3.1 are about the same 44-45Gb
jurov: 44G, too
jurov: on 0.10
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mircea_popescu: ascii_field for the record ben_vulpes has a point. unmilked cow gets mastitis, unexercised slavegirl gets neurosis.
mircea_popescu: jurov seems they're making the point quite plainly : "we call this encryption, but really it's only intended to keep your pictures on stolen phones away from the thief. nothing absolutely to do with security, just a gimmick"
mircea_popescu: the age old new jersey 90%.
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jurov: more like "intended to keep application data away from phone owner"
mircea_popescu: mats not just the thunderbolt. same story with the warthog. idea being basically "we wish to move on from this real-items tethered system of bezzle to a system of pure bezzle. we do not wish to have any further actual items involved in the entire allocation and expenditure of budgets thing"
jurov: pics are nowhere mentioned, they§ll stay unencrypted
mircea_popescu: i can see why, too. if there's no actual items involved there's much less risk to doing it all, as nobody can ever be shown definitively to have fucked up.
mircea_popescu: the social "sciences" approach to life.
mircea_popescu: jurov well all is good then :D
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 19:44:02; mircea_popescu: ascii_field for the record ben_vulpes has a point. unmilked cow gets mastitis, unexercised slavegirl gets neurosis.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field well inasmuch as that's what "produce milk, pull cart, turn millstone" means, you did.
ascii_field: i do agree, pets must be exercised properly
ascii_field: but there is more than one way to do it.
ascii_field: some kinds of pet, for instance, may be turned loose to roam and hunt
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ascii_field: others - walked, on a leash
ascii_field: unrelated: anybody locate the inevitable pgp client which only looks at bottom (or top) 32 bits of each 64-bit modulus chunk when computing fingerprint ?
ascii_field: because we know that it exists
ascii_field: just not -which-.
mircea_popescu: hunt for it has been ongoing, but we don't have one yet
mircea_popescu: the chumps derping about self-importantly on "cryptographic" "lists" etc are certainly using it - but so far too dumb to realise they shyould be looking.
mircea_popescu waves at idiots.
ascii_field: perhaps time for a bounty ?
ascii_field checks back pockets for loose coins
mircea_popescu: unbountyable
mircea_popescu: (i could diddle one too, what use is it. we need the actual item, not something custom made)
ascii_field: naturally bounty would require proving that the animal existed in the wild prior to the discovery
ascii_field: this is not entirely impossible
mircea_popescu: i'd much rather take someone's word. which requires people motivated by their own functioning head.
ascii_field: i conjecture that the overlap of these and the folks using chump-pgp is a null set
ascii_field: so it'll have to be a digging expedition
ascii_field: complete with ancient versions of winblows, etc
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mircea_popescu: since we were discussing airplanes : f-15, pretty much the only successful military jet to be ever designed and produced by the us by itself, has cost ~35 bn for the ~1200 items produced, and has managed a total kill score of ~100.
mircea_popescu: this means each aerial victory the us has obtained through its most successful program to date cost ~350 million dollars.
mircea_popescu: anyone wonder why they prefer to win imaginary victories via bribing whatever newspaper is fashionable that day ? shit's damned expensive.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: very much broken assumption here, though
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the airplane was not built for victories
mircea_popescu: i don't care what people intend.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it was made to 1) intimidate 2) churn money
ascii_field: afaik it works great for 1+2 and therefore meets spec
mircea_popescu: mig 21 was never intimidated by it.
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asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field just noticed anal pattern in mircea_popescu's links
mircea_popescu: anal patel ?
ascii_field: just that iirc all of the gurlz are being buggered
ascii_field: 'different strokes for different folks' (TM) (R)
mircea_popescu: maybe they're gay.
ascii_field amused that ^this is exotic while buggery - sop
ascii_field: 'the irish maidens have not lost their virtue, merely misplaced it by an inch' (TM) (R)
mircea_popescu: romanian expression of superlative chickdom being, "as fute-o si-n pizda"
mircea_popescu: "i'd fuck her even in the cunt!"
ascii_field: i don't get it, how did buggery become the 'standard' ?
ascii_field isn't tickled by the idea at all, confesses
ascii_field finds it an utterly incomprehensible taste, like the idea of fucking a garden hose
mircea_popescu: ever tried it ?
ascii_field: garden hose is far ahead on the list of what to try
ascii_field: as is old boot
ascii_field: and accordion
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mircea_popescu: so you don't understand the appeal of something you've never tried. not so remarkable neh ?
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, weirdest video of today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7J87UP-9Ww
mircea_popescu: take that vexual.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: i haven't tried coprophagia either
ascii_field: have you?
ascii_field: perhaps it is instantly addictive!
mircea_popescu: i know some people that have, let's put it this way.
mircea_popescu: but the error here's thinking of sexual behaviour in objective terms. there's no such thing.
ascii_field: well yes.
ascii_field: hence the 'different stokes' proverb
mircea_popescu: or as that chick in pride and prejudice points out, "sometimes it seems like wanting someone to stick his finger in your nose"
ascii_field had not read it
assbot: Logged on 26-05-2015 09:03:12; mircea_popescu: in other news, this is why the girl should be taller than you : http://31.media.tumblr.com/20c2f2e3dd873ef89624ae370538a6da/tumblr_mub7xj0noX1sjfxgho1_400.gif
ascii_field: ambiguous
ascii_field: but i can see it.
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146556 <<< i know eh, they poop from there after all
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 20:46:33; *: ascii_field isn't tickled by the idea at all, confesses
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danielpbarron: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp << is boost only needed for the FOREACH loops and some hardware control stuff in the mining functions?
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
danielpbarron: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: danielpbarron: needed for just about all of the data structures !
ascii_field: whole thing is, quite arguably, written 'in' boost rather than cpp proper
danielpbarron: is it possible to replace all the foreach loops with regular old for loops?
ascii_field: danielpbarron: in principle. bloating the code 20x
ascii_field: and you would have to replace the lists, hashmaps, etc. with something equivalent
mircea_popescu: yeah sadly this is not really distinct from plain rewrite
ascii_field: not only this, but the inevitable result would be a re-implementation of 'boost.'
ascii_field: cpp is a turd and it is boost which was used here to keep the turd sufficiently solid for lathe work
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mod6: <+ascii_field> whole thing is, quite arguably, written 'in' boost rather than cpp proper << i saw some power-ranger derping in -dev about how it only use boost for "FOREACH" loops. was thinking "have you actually even read the code?!?"
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williamdunne: How is everyone doing?
BingoBoingo: Eh, doing
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trinque: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel I did a git pull, and now the repl fills with dots perpetually instead of freezing, looks like the stumpwm process is doing a lot
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 14:31:51; asciilifeform: gavin & the merry band of shitgnomes used their magic key to transmit 'Warning: This version is obsolete, upgrade required!'
danielpbarron: ^ also can confirm
BingoBoingo: Not questioner is refered to https://archive.is/F1OK7 which does not mention latest alert
mats: SourceForge has been diddling downloads for some years...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13750 @ 0.0003115 = 4.2831 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: lol gimp on winblows? is it so hard to crack photoshop these days?
williamdunne: copy amtlib.dll paste
BingoBoingo: Oh, and look what just popped up on reddit after being mentioned here another time: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/37j3cf/network_alert_circulating/
ben_vulpes surfaces
ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> i do agree, pets must be exercised properly << exercise for pets. yokes for my oxen, saddles for my horses, mice for my cats, and coyotes for my dogs.
mats: a weighted vest is incredible for training a dog
mats: and so are weighted toys
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ^ just in now
BingoBoingo: Beautiful
BingoBoingo: So what all versions of bitcoin has everyone here been seeing alerts on? 0.7 series here. danielpbarron?
asciilifeform: ^ possible answer to the riddle
asciilifeform: ^ shitgnome key not involved; but proliferation of shitgnomiferous nodes leads to the trap
danielpbarron: yeah 0.7.2 here
danielpbarron: did not see it on my 0.5.3.x
danielpbarron: confirming that the patch did in fact remove it
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: because the trap isn't there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77116 @ 0.00031081 = 23.9684 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: Oh, apparently that reddit post has a comment, but it is invisibru
cazalla: i've been getting those alerts for some months and i get hit with orphans and other shit when it happens and have to use a backup to start again
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6782 @ 0.00030922 = 2.0971 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: MPOE seems like It's been awfully stable at the 3 mark lately
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18150 @ 0.00030714 = 5.5746 BTC [-] {2}
mats: its bumming me out
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.0003045 = 4.7807 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo may or may not be backing into MPOE monthly. Provided a given person didn't put too much into MPOE at 8+ and MPOE stabilizes long term near 5, could still be profitable.
decimation: asciilifeform: didn't you need a note from stalin to shop in the dollar store in su?
decimation: surely some prole showing up with dollars would be enough cause to send the local security to check him out
decimation: !up Jrum
decimation: !up mogreen
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asciilifeform: decimation: more complicated than this. you couldn't spend dollars per se in there, had to use special 'funny money'
asciilifeform: which one got either by trading in dollars at airport (if you are a foreign tourist) or by having been paid in it in the first place, on account of being diplomatic staff or similar
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: So like the strip club
asciilifeform: wai wat
asciilifeform: what strip club works like this ?
decimation: asciilifeform: so this was mainly limited to foreign embassy staff?
asciilifeform: decimation: this particular variant of the 'k00l k1dz' store - yes
asciilifeform: there were others
asciilifeform: not sure if a complete list even exists
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: A number of shittier ones. You trade dollars for "club money" dancers trade the club monopoly money for dollars. Like casino chips, but more tarded
BingoBoingo: !up kalki
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: presumably this is done to smooth the vig collection ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: indeed
kalki: grettings
decimation: kinda ths same idea at casinos?
kalki: greetings
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: also for revenue reasons. No customer wants to wait to cash back into outside money at the end of the night.
BingoBoingo: !up tcrypt
asciilifeform: decimation: on second look, there were 'beriozka' ('birch') shops which took dollars directly
asciilifeform: mainly near hotels.
asciilifeform: ^ funnymoney
asciilifeform: back side reads 'this cheque is not subject to resale'
asciilifeform: abolished in '88.
asciilifeform: amusing story was, that the closure was announced in advance. and holders of the 'cheques' struggled to cash them in, somehow, somewhere
asciilifeform: was a kind of 'bitcoin gem'
asciilifeform: the shops ended up 'privatized'
asciilifeform: and eventually disappeared
decimation: heh that's amusing
asciilifeform: in '91 dollars were legalized
asciilifeform: and the remaining 'birch' took them directly from all-comers.
asciilifeform: (to clarify, 'cheques' were abolished in '88, rather than the k00l k1dz shops)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58000 @ 0.00031329 = 18.1708 BTC [+] {4}
asciilifeform never saw one of these things alive, only knows secondhand
decimation: so presumably these 'cheques' were only handed out to foreigners and people with notes from stalin
decimation: I wouldn't mind collecting a few of those
decimation: I would add them to my collection of weimar notes
asciilifeform: decimation: could easily expand the collection with a dozen kinds of sov-era toilet paper
asciilifeform traded a shoebox full of these ^ for his first $1 usd
decimation: heh all the pastel colors
asciilifeform: these, incidentally, were printed on machines hastily flown in from usa
asciilifeform: and there were some interesting production glitches
decimation: http://snyderstreasures.com/images/paper/currency/5RM1Aug42F.jpg < the third reich currency is of much better quality (i have a couple of these too)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50000 @ 0.00030578 = 15.289 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: who's the fella in the picture ?
decimation: donno, some dude I guess. I have another with a young woman on it too
decimation: 'hitlerjunge'
asciilifeform: mostly western ua, did not circulate in romanian zone
asciilifeform: speaking of which,
asciilifeform spotted a gurl from transylvania today; she worked in a restaurant; queried based on accent, familiar from hanging out with mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: this is only 2nd or 3rd time i ran into anyone from ro in 22+ yrs of sitting in usa
asciilifeform: generally these folks have better sense than to come here.
decimation: my father had some romanian carpenters set his nice wood floor
decimation: heh > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsmark < "The Soviet Union demanded copies of the engraving plates, ink, and associated equipment in early 1944, and on 14 April 1944 Henry Morgenthau and Harry Dexter White of the U.S. Treasury Department authorized the immediate air transfer of these to the USSR. Using a printing plant in occupied Leipzig, the Soviet authorities printed large runs of occupation marks. Since these were converti
asciilifeform: this encounter was actually very interesting, because even from across the room and with naked eye, could tell she was not from usa --
asciilifeform: because had a human face instead of 'robotic statue'
asciilifeform: i almost wanted to ask 'what are you doing here, in the kingdom of malicious robots, fellow earthling'
decimation: in my experience this is worse on the east coast
decimation: I think people's reaction to high population density is to treat humans as if they were robots
asciilifeform: can't say that we have 'tokyo' population density here in d.c. suburbs.
asciilifeform: if anything, far lower than, e.g., buenos aires
asciilifeform: but here - robots, there - people.
decimation: yeah that's a fair point.
decimation: perhaps it's the narcissism. "your real self" is only shown to those whom you select
asciilifeform: perhaps only behind closed doors
decimation: after all, if you could see the size of the egos in the dc area you would find tokyo roomy
asciilifeform: when talking to chums, etc. in public, these folks have precisely same face.
asciilifeform is speaking of women, primarily; men seem to wear proverbial 'poker face' just about anywhere
decimation: asciilifeform: I wonder what it was like to walk around in a society where marriages were arranged
decimation: thus freeing women from unwanted sexual attention to some degree
decimation: !up mogreen
decimation: !up Xuthus
asciilifeform: ^ 18th episode of ru cult-cartoon 'just you wait' - a kind of sov. equivalent of american 'tom & jerry', takes place in 'beriozka' shop
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